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Enough is enough...WHO CARES HOW GOOD HE IS.. |
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Listen Drogba, just because u grew up in an impoverished nation doesn't give u the right. this is a man who tried to smack a player during the most important game of the year (arguably the most imp. of his life considering not ivory coast nor any African nation can digg it's self out of its own knee deep crap let alone win anything internationally). plays for the money and the fame, and has an ego like a prima madonna. he should be suspended considering that without the fans this sport would be no where, and the out right disrespect he showed was incredible..take an African out of Africa but you still got CRAPP!
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Re: Enough is enough...WHO CARES HOW GOOD HE IS.. |
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Your writings are heroic! I don't think Drogba has used his back ground or upbringing as an excuse for his actions in this case so why bring that into the debate? From that garbage you just wrote it seems that you and that moron that threw the coin may have a lot in common. |
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The league set a precedent with the Carragher incident ,any changes would be asking for the obvious criticism,and demands justification. |
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Do you think the original ban given to Carragher was enough punishment?
If not, then why should the FA not give a heavier punishment? Purely because Drogba is black and they would be afraid of being called racists? Madness! Drogba did not just toss it back in the crowd, he threw it with enough force to cause an injury. It doesn't matter that the coin didn't hit anyone, there are some young children and women in that crowd aswell as some OAP supporters - that coin could have injured someone. For that reason it should be a heavier punishment than a 3 game ban. |
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It doesn't matter,i'm pretty sure the fa took the crowd demographic into consideration when Carragher was punished, so it doesn't make sense to give Drogba a heavier punishment .If they make the punishment any more severe based on the same circumstantial evidence then it would be suspect in the least. I'm just talking fro my point of view i don't expect you to understand where i'm coming from. By the way , i take it you don't have a problem with what was written by "prime tyme"! Which were probably has racist as you can get. |
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He has been banned for his remarks in this thread.
So forget the Carragher incident and tell me what punishment should be dished out by the FA for a football player throwing a coin into a crowd of fans? I find it hypocritical that you come out with that, when you know yourself that the FA are useless in these situations. What if next week someone goes in clumsy as Taylor did on Eduardo and snaps Febragas' leg? Would you say that the FA should be consistant by not increasing the 3 match ban given for the red card incident? |
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There is a difference. The Taylor/eduardo situation has to first be determined that it was in fact a "clumsy" challenge and not a careless one. An accident is an accident and i still believe that Taylor showed no respect for the safety of his fellow player with that challenge. The Carragher/Drogba incidents are almost exactly the same both , so it's not hypocritical at all. |
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What difference does that make? What happened to equality? |
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Now if they increased the length of the Ban in between incidents then i will agree to that ,but you can't change the severity once the offense has been done. That's like adjusting the punishment to fit the personality.
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Why does the fan deserve to be banned for life, however Drogba, who has done the exact same thing in retaliation, only gets a 3 match ban? Because the fan is the instigator. he turned up to the game with the 'weapons' (coins) in his pocket and decided he would throw them at Drogba. if he had not done so we not not even have this thread. if i break into a shop with a gun and end up getting shot by it by the shopkeeper who would recieve the harsher punishment? i believe the same principle applies here albeit on a smaller scale. the quote from a 'fan' you posted can only be that of a blindingly bias man united fan. does this person, or you, really think that a running kick to a man's chest and a flurry of punches is equivalent to a coin being lobbed at somebody? insanity. you say somebody could have been blinded by the coin, well so could Drogba. where is his protection? Cantona could have killed that bloke. maybe Carragher should have served a longer ban, the fact is he didnt and therefore neither should Drogba. |
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the difference is that Drogba just tossed the coin back with no intent to cause harm , i imagine fans when they chuck things have some intent ....they dont just throw things for the fun of it . They are often angry or frustrated by something ....and a player or the referee ...linesman are usually the targets .
..yes...Drogba was stupid , but a standard 3 match ban is plenty . Whether the fan should be banned for life ....well in my opinion you dont go to football matches to throw things at people ..that is violent conduct ...someone could easily have been blinded .. Cantona was a special case ....he directly attacked a fan ....if the actions of Drogba had resulted in an injury to a fan then further action would have to be taken ....but as it is a short ban is sufficient i think . |
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Just because a precedent has been set with the Carragher incident, doesnt mean the precedent cant be broken, everyone agrees Carragher should have got longer, he actually got sent off in the match, I cant remember if it was for throwing the coin or the challenge that led to it, so in that way it is different. Whoever thinks Drogba just tossed the coin is either blind or stupid, he gave the Burnley fans the finger (rightly so in my opinion, if as a fan you cant take a bit back you shouldnt give it), so he was obviuosly angry, then he threw the coin as if he was skimming a stone onto a lake, why cant the Premier League set a new precedent and give him a six game ban, they did it with Joey Barton, and to an extent with Rio Ferdinand, as he got a longer ban for not taking a test than some players had for failing the test. |
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it just opens up a huge can of worms. appeals would be launched and undoubtedly would be successful on those very grounds. is this Drogba incident worse than the Carragher incident? to me, the answer is no. therefore punishing harder is stupid in my opinion. |
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maybe we should not argue about whether Drogba tossed the coin ..threw it like a stone or chucked it like a spin bowler . It was irresponsible and he should be punished accordingly ...
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Now it is irrelevant as to how the coin was thrown, however in your previous post it was relevant as you made an assumption that he "tossed" the coin back into the crowd. Did you actually see the incident?
As Eric said above me, Drogba threw it into the crowd with some force. Steely to reply to your earlier post, I am not for one minute suggesting that fan shouldn't receive a life ban - what I am saying is that Drogba should be more severly punished for being stupid enough to retaliate. I am also not suggesting that Drogba should face the same punishment as what Eric Cantona faced - however Cantona had a massive ban, firstly a 3 month ban issued by Manchester United themselves (you have to applaud them for this considering Chelsea have decided to take no action against Drogba), then extender to 9 months. I personally do not feel what Cantona did in retaliation to a racist, thug of a fan is really that much worse than what Drogba did. Cantona retaliated to the person who abused him originally - Drogba reacted to a whole section of the crowd, many of which were innocent fans attending to watch a good game of football. Those innocent fans did not deserve to have a coin thrown at them from a millionaire footballer who they have paid good money to go and watch. Also the fact he saluted fans with a middle finger - that should also carry a further one match ban which would be the same as what Ronaldo got for saluting Benfica fans in the same way. Therefore the incident is not identical to that of Jamie Carragher. |
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in that case i will leave that there. i cant argue a point in front of rose tinted glasses. your sense of perspective on this is incredible. |
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i used the wrong term `tossed` ....Johaldo had used the word in his post and i just used it ....no one actually tosses a coin unless they are doing the old head and tails thing ..
So Drogba threw the coin back into the crowd ....it could have hit anyone so in that respect he was stupid to do it . We cannot judge what might have happened ....the coin could have hit a fan ...if that fan had then lost one eye becaue of that ..then what . Drogba would have face charges of grevious bodly harm and he may have been sent to jail ...who knows . All we can judge on is that no one was hit ...so no actaul assault has taken place .....Cantona was clearly filmed assaulting a fan ...end of story . You just cannot compare the two incidents ...and this paragraph from O Dogg ... Those innocent fans did not deserve to have a coin thrown at them from a millionaire footballer who they have paid good money to go and watch. the same can be said for the fans who had paid good money to go and Cantona back then ...they did not deserve to see their idol launch a crazy kung fu attack on a fan....even though provoked . |
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Last edited by conner99 on Mon Nov 17, 2008 3:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Are the coin throwing and the finger being dealt with under the charge of violent conduct, or should Drogba be also be charged with improper conduct as Gary Neville was when he celebrated in front of Liverpool fans who had been abusing his family all game.
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You can't set a new precedent once the offense has been committed ,you do it when there isn't a case on the table a the time ,that's the only fair way. |
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agreed. thats my point entirely. |
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