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Grass Roots

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belis wrote:
bigbroantonio wrote:
Maybe someone here still hasn't got the point.

ZIDANE (RE)ACTED IN A FOOLISH, CHILDISH, STUPID, ARROGANT AND INAPPROPRIATE MANNER.

That's it. Can't you see it? There is no more to it than that.

It's SHAMEFUL how people here and even newspapers are trying to justify Zidane's (re)action. I read The Sun's online edition earlier and they show no more than understanding towards Zidane.

If M. insulted his mother, do you really think he knew she was (if she really was) ill or dying. Haven't you ever heard people curse each others' mothers withuot even knowing them? Things like "Your mum's so dumb that she...".

Come on - physical assault MUST NOT BE TOLLERATED OR JUSTIFIED in ANY way.

So please STOP IT!!!


It is you who don't get the point.

The problem is not Zidane anymore the problem is this dumbass of Materazzi.

Zidane made an unpardonable act, he paid , deserved, period.

Now what I wish is to send back M. in the stinking hole where he should have never come out from.


You are giving more and more proof that you don't get the point, mate.
Read what Leoric wrote:

"Ronaldo was blamed for Rooney's bad behaviour, not Rooney himself (Ronaldo had his house in Chesire, England attacked!!). And, Materazzi was blamed for Zidane's outburst - berated in world media. Lessons must be learnt here."

Carrie also wrote that he/she doesn't think "there are any original insults left". I think we can ALL agree with that. Zidane has probably heard them all before.

The problem here, my dear belis, isn't Materazzi - it's none other than Zidane. He's done it before. There's something WRONG with a person who behaves like that.

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I don't want to come back on this bad thing on what he has said

I just say materazzi is nothing face to Zidane

He makes provocation, he scored, he is world champion but he's nothing

Italy didn't deserve to win it France had beaten the biggest teams

I think the real Finale was Brazil - France

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what kind of a...h... is materazzi ???

i mean does he think people are dumb????





people that doesn't understand ironic phrases are dumb

do you feel judged?

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If someone nipple crippled me then sed I "son of a terrorist whore" im sorry but i would have probebly done the same thing

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If someone nipple crippled me then sed I "son of a terrorist whore" im sorry but i would have probebly done the same thing



of course








if you live in the banlieu

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If someone nipple crippled me then sed I "son of a terrorist whore" im sorry but i would have probebly done the same thing



of course








if you live in the banlieu


Anouther refreshing friendly user Rolling Eyes a few of your posts I've seen of yours are negative things other peoples comments you've got to learn to respect other peoples opinions nevermind how stupid or farfetched they might be.



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From AFP : http://www.afp.com/francais/news/stories/060711184912.3owi9ufp.html , Materazzi would have had said that :

"We all know that you are the son of a terrosist bitch" ...


Please, let's appreciate Materazzi ... for a while ... and then pray for him ...

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bigbroantonio wrote:
belis wrote:
bigbroantonio wrote:
Maybe someone here still hasn't got the point.

ZIDANE (RE)ACTED IN A FOOLISH, CHILDISH, STUPID, ARROGANT AND INAPPROPRIATE MANNER.

That's it. Can't you see it? There is no more to it than that.

It's SHAMEFUL how people here and even newspapers are trying to justify Zidane's (re)action. I read The Sun's online edition earlier and they show no more than understanding towards Zidane.

If M. insulted his mother, do you really think he knew she was (if she really was) ill or dying. Haven't you ever heard people curse each others' mothers withuot even knowing them? Things like "Your mum's so dumb that she...".

Come on - physical assault MUST NOT BE TOLLERATED OR JUSTIFIED in ANY way.

So please STOP IT!!!


It is you who don't get the point.

The problem is not Zidane anymore the problem is this dumbass of Materazzi.

Zidane made an unpardonable act, he paid , deserved, period.

Now what I wish is to send back M. in the stinking hole where he should have never come out from.


You are giving more and more proof that you don't get the point, mate.
Read what Leoric wrote:

"Ronaldo was blamed for Rooney's bad behaviour, not Rooney himself (Ronaldo had his house in Chesire, England attacked!!). And, Materazzi was blamed for Zidane's outburst - berated in world media. Lessons must be learnt here."

Carrie also wrote that he/she doesn't think "there are any original insults left". I think we can ALL agree with that. Zidane has probably heard them all before.

The problem here, my dear belis, isn't Materazzi - it's none other than Zidane. He's done it before. There's something WRONG with a person who behaves like that.


Can't you think of any circonstances in life when you could possibly "blow the fuses" and forget yourself ?

Like for instance your mother just enter an hospital for a serious desease and a dumbass insults your family wishing them to die an horrible death like it was suggested already ?

No of course you would keep your head cool Mr Perfect because there is nothing WRONG with you.

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ZIDANE (RE)ACTED IN A FOOLISH, CHILDISH, STUPID, ARROGANT AND INAPPROPRIATE MANNER.
Rolling Eyes

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it's simple


- zidane is a MASTER CLASS player, but he did a terrible thing. and punishment is deserved
he's a human. and as a human I can understand his feelings. But I'm writing in a forum
He's a champion, and he's not supposed to do such an act.

no excuses for milan, juve, fiorentina, lazio ('cause they cheated)
no excuses for Totti (for spitting Poulsen in 2002)
no excuses for Zidane (for a butthead)

if Materazzi said a racist phrase, he should be punished


that's the rules...no need to fooling around

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luke_sky wrote:
it's simple


- zidane is a MASTER CLASS player, but he did a terrible thing. and punishment is deserved
he's a human. and as a human I can understand his feelings. But I'm writing in a forum
He's a champion, and he's not supposed to do such an act.

no excuses for milan, juve, fiorentina, lazio ('cause they cheated)
no excuses for Totti (for spitting Poulsen in 2002)
no excuses for Zidane (for a butthead)

if Materazzi said a racist phrase, he should be punished


that's the rules...no need to fooling around


I agree thoroughly

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belis wrote:
luke_sky wrote:
it's simple


- zidane is a MASTER CLASS player, but he did a terrible thing. and punishment is deserved
he's a human. and as a human I can understand his feelings. But I'm writing in a forum
He's a champion, and he's not supposed to do such an act.

no excuses for milan, juve, fiorentina, lazio ('cause they cheated)
no excuses for Totti (for spitting Poulsen in 2002)
no excuses for Zidane (for a butthead)

if Materazzi said a racist phrase, he should be punished


that's the rules...no need to fooling around


I agree thoroughly


Me too.

That means that Materazzi should be "erased" from that WC ... he scored ? No more valid goal for him ... and for Italian cheaters of the Calcio !

So France is ... not the winner because of Zidane's behaviour.

So Germany is the new 06 World Champ. and they deserve it, because of their good play and great great great organisation and enthusiasm !

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The point is, that racist defamation (of 1 player) can provoke a disqualification of the whole team, because of the new FIFA rules (April 2006). If someone can prove the case.

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Xedi wrote:
The point is, that racist defamation (of 1 player) can provoke a disqualification of the whole team, because of the new FIFA rules (April 2006). If someone can prove the case.


Where have you red that ?
What I have red is 5 matchs of suspension and 15 000 € of penalty (which is ridiculous for a professional footballer).

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Me too.

That means that Materazzi should be "erased" from that WC ... he scored ? No more valid goal for him ... and for Italian cheaters of the Calcio !

So France is ... not the winner because of Zidane's behaviour.

So Germany is the new 06 World Champ. and they deserve it, because of their good play and great great great organisation and enthusiasm !



lol Very Happy

that's a good plot for O.C. maybe

Materazzi would be disqualified for 5 matches (for example) and not "erased"!!!
world cup ended. and italy won

only Materazzi should be punished, like he committed a foul.



I guess it's hard for you who hates italians
and this is a paradox 'cause you're horrified for racism phrase...ok, nevermind.
I know fighting against your stupidity is a lost cause

it's cruel for you. but italy won.
facts are reality
not your talking.

listen to me
turn on your t.v. and watch your fab silly sit-com
soccer isn't for you

you like games
we like sport

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Karybout

This is the Link.

http://www.fifa.com/documents/media/Revision%20Article%2055%20FIFA%20Disciplinary%20Code.pdf

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mh....



i hate of beeing so aggressive Rolling Eyes


i read it.

and you? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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I can't believe what can a loss output.....
Now, FIFA, kick Italy out of the tournament and out of the Federation or get France, Germany, Ukraine, Australia, Czech Republic, USA and Ghana a re-match...they all deserve it



You know what that means?

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I read this:

Par. 1: Anyone who publicly disparages, discriminates against or denigrates someone in a defamatory manner on account of face, colour, language, religion or ethnic origin, or perpetrates any other racist and/or contemptuous act, will be subject to match suspension for at least five matches at every level. Furthermore, a stadium ban and a fine of at least CHF 20,000 will be imposed on the perpetrator. If the perpetrator is an official, the fine will be at least CHF 30,000

And this
Par. 4
If any player, association or club official or spectator perpetrates any kind of racist or contemptuous act as described by par. 1 and/or 2 of this article, three points will automatically be deducted from the team concerned, if identifiable, after the first offence. In the case of a second offence, six points will automatically be deducted, and for a further offence, the team will be relegated. In the case of matches without points, the team concerned, if identifiable, will be disqualified.

The point is "if identifiable".


Perhaps it's just a interpretation, but if Materazzi really said...

We all know that you are the son of a terrosist bitch"

jup, Par 1 and 4 ...

I hate of beeing so educational Rolling Eyes



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Well said, now FIFA, go for it -__________-

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yes.

a good interpretation is:

materazzi will pay 15.000 euros (for exampled) and banned for 10 matches (and this would be a HARD interpretation)

deleting italy's cup for this??
maybe for Dan Brown


it would be probably if organization cheated fifa (or the ref.)

for a racist phrase, Italian Team will IMPOSE materazzi paying an disqualify him

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luke_sky

That are the FIFA rules, not mine. I don't know what happens. This are just the fatcs...

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And it goes on with Gallas, sorry it is in French : http://www.eurosport.fr/football/coupedumonde/2006/sport_sto923719.shtml

Gallas explains that Zidane is not a kid, so what Materazzi might have said to him is very very HARD but that's the way Italian behave when they can't control the ball ...
Gallas feels like exploding Materazzi's face ... and I guess every french people.

I think Materazzi would better never come to France ... never.

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Zidane will speak tonight at 20:00 on canal+.

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Rules are never followed in these cases...

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No, belis, I (thank you for the Mr Perfect) would never have reacted like that. But if I were materazzi, I wouldn't have stayed down like that. I would've probably stood up and beat the crap out of the frog. Of course that would've cost him a red card, too, but it would've been even.

I cannot think of any phrase or "circumstance" that could "blow your fuse", especially in public.

And, one more thing: If Materazzi is to be judged for saying something, then the footage of ALL the games of theWHOLE World Cup should be seen again, and ANY verbal abuse be punished in the same way. It'll give these socalled experts something to do for the next couple of months.

materazi said monkey to zidane
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