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TrueBlue wrote:
It was a attack on the keeper, nuff said. Any judge, with a brain, whould blow for a freekick if something like that had happend.


Laughing Laughing Laughing an attack was it??? Ish don't think so!

Giggs' momentum carried on from when he touched the ball. This is not a foul in any area of the pitch or on any player, even the goalkeeper.

The only reason the goal was not given was because the ref and linesman could not see it. Simple as that.

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we have the benefit of tv replays and it clearly showed Cech had saved Giggs shot before his momentum carried Cech and the ball over the line . It was neither a goal or a foul as the referee did not whistle for anything .

If a referee was able to use tv replays then he would have signalled a foul against Cech and a free kick to Chelsea .

The linesman obviously assumed it was a good save by Cech from Giggs shot and that the ball had not crossed the line .

But anyway Man Utd did not do enough to win the match and a lapse in concentration cost them dear .

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this game was borring!! i switched off that match and i was watching slovak fist league zilina 5-0 banska bystrica..zilina was playing about 3 years ago against Chelsea in CHL

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I'm neutral, but I don't see how anyone can say United was robbed. The ref missed the foul on Cech, which happens sometimes (and don't say that since he didnt blow the whistle that there was 'no foul'....let's be real here), and the ref missed the ball going over the line. Missing the first one cancels out missing the second. I don't see a problem.

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I think it'll be tight - I'll go for a 1-0 Chelsea win.


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Anyone who expected an end to end enthralling game of football doesn't understand the game at all. This was always going to be a cagey "don't concede the first goal" type of game.

Giggs should have scored, Rooney played quite well to be fair to the lad but Ronaldo was anonymous. On the Blue side, I thought Drogba was having a quiet game but he left Rio for dead for the one-two and the rest is history. Essien had a great game but was also caught napping a couple of times but United lost their composure in the attacking third.

I'm glad the first final at the new Wembley wasn't settled by spot kicks. I know some of you like them (especially Liverpool fans) but I'd much rather see a goal settle it, and for the negative play today, it was a beautifully crafted goal. Worthy of winning the cup.



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It wasn't a foul though. Essien had fouled Giggs and this was why he went to ground in the first place.

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Chelsea deserved it. It was a spinless performance from United today, excepet from Scholes.


What about Rooney playing on his own, yet the only attacking threat we caused.

What about Vidic and Ferdinand who were excellent all day, only beaten by a brilliant bit of skill.

You're a bit harsh there.

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marcofoo wrote:
It wasn't a foul though. Essien had fouled Giggs and this was why he went to ground in the first place.


Giggs didn't complain about the "foul", he complained that the ball crossed the line. It clearly did, but Giggs momentum pushed Cech over the line. Now, once the ball is in both hands of the keeper any contact on him is a foul, regardless of how the contact was made i.e. deliberate or not.

End of. Stop crying and take it like a Cockney Red.

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marcofoo wrote:
It wasn't a foul though. Essien had fouled Giggs and this was why he went to ground in the first place.


Giggs didn't complain about the "foul", he complained that the ball crossed the line. It clearly did, but Giggs momentum pushed Cech over the line. Now, once the ball is in both hands of the keeper any contact on him is a foul, regardless of how the contact was made i.e. deliberate or not.

End of. Stop crying and take it like a Cockney Red.


Like I said, I've heard all this before and none of it makes sense so lets just leave it there shall we. I've sed my part and I know I'm right.

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No, but Reading is, isn't that right Floody? Laughing Wink

Seriously though Marco, what doesn't make sense about the Giggs miss. Forev said it spot on. He had the chance and blew it. End of.

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Marcofoo, I'd like to ask for your reasoning behind the outrageous claims you made about thinking Giggs should retire......

Where is the reasoning behind that? He was the best left sided player in the Premiership this season and performed steadily throughout. His experience in part with the rest of the team won us the league. He set up goals, scored a few farily vital ones and played well up front, in midfield and on the flank.

Who would we replace him with? Why would we replace him right now?

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Giggs is smack bang back on form....he has had a season to roll back the years, not that he is some ageing Stanley Matthews or anything.

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marcofoo? reasoning?

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Forev wrote:
Marcofoo, I'd like to ask for your reasoning behind the outrageous claims you made about thinking Giggs should retire......

Where is the reasoning behind that? He was the best left sided player in the Premiership this season and performed steadily throughout. His experience in part with the rest of the team won us the league. He set up goals, scored a few farily vital ones and played well up front, in midfield and on the flank.

Who would we replace him with? Why would we replace him right now?


Over the last few weeks I have become increasingly frustrated with him. He started the season well but gradually declined. Maybe retiring is an overstatement but he certainly should not be our first choice on the left.

He doesn't have the pace required for a winger. He can no longer beat people, he simply runs at them, stops and passes to the left back. And he can't play as a first choice central midfielder.

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Johaldo8 wrote:
No, but Reading is, isn't that right Floody? Laughing Wink

Seriously though Marco, what doesn't make sense about the Giggs miss. Forev said it spot on. He had the chance and blew it. End of.


Laughing NO! Wink

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Disappointing game as everyones already been saying. Giggs should have had a goal, the ref didnt blow for a free but he obviously couldnt tell if the ball crossed the line so unless he was sure then he was right not to give it. Theres no point complaining about it now. We were 2nd best overall and Chelsea deserved the win, only the Vidic, Ferdinand, Scholes & Rooney impressed me for United and we just never realy ooked like we wanted to win

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It was dull but still interesting. The stadium was magnificent but for such a class stadium the pitch was poor which did'nt help the match. Drogba's goal was very good though.

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It was dull but still interesting. The stadium was magnificent but for such a class stadium the pitch was poor which did'nt help the match. Drogba's goal was very good though.


you took your goal well mate

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Is this a foul on Giggs or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-22dVmbVYs

Ignore the commentators as the other replay showed the ball clearly crossed the line.

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this is proof that its time to use video refs

they clearly got it wrong and Man U were duded

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now lets have a view from the referees angle.

you cant have video refs for things like that

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tdv wrote:
Chelsea deserved it. It was a spinless performance from United today, excepet from Scholes.


What about Rooney playing on his own, yet the only attacking threat we caused.

What about Vidic and Ferdinand who were excellent all day, only beaten by a brilliant bit of skill.

You're a bit harsh there.


Yeah maybe a slight bit harsh. But I really did exepect alot more form attacking players. Giggs looked very tired, Carrick went missing for large parts of the game, the 2 full backs didnt get forward enough & whenever Brown did get forward he didnt track back fast enough & got caught a few times, Flectcher pfffffft & it was the same old story with the PFA & FW player of the year lots of step-overs no end product.

Besides Rooney,Schooles & the CB's the rest of the team didnt look intrested in winning the game. I would have liked to have seen Smith come on sooner, I think he would have put alot more pressure on the Chelsea back 4 & would have approached the game with a better attitude than some of the other players.

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marcofoo wrote:
Is this a foul on Giggs or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-22dVmbVYs

Ignore the commentators as the other replay showed the ball clearly crossed the line.


Ryan Giggs never mentioned the supposed "foul" by Essien - he dismissed that and instead talked of the goal standing. Now, if he doesn't recall the "foul" how can you say it was a foul? All he talked of was the goal standing, which we all know (unless you're an idiot) was a foul on the keeper due to Giggs' momentum follwing through the keeper.

Bottom line: 11 matches between that old bag eyed cnut and Mourinho.
6-1 to Mourinho. Up yours!! Laughing

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Y would Giggs talk about wanting a penalty when he shaould have had the goal???

Are u a Chelsea fan or what? U certainly seem to show more of an interest than u do Spurs. Even in a discussion like this u constantly back up Chelsea, no matter what the situation. Maybe u r just an argumentative sort of person because u certainly aren't right.

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marcofoo wrote:
Y would Giggs talk about wanting a penalty when he shaould have had the goal???


Exactly!!! He should have scored the goal!! But he bottled it, missed an absolute sitter Laughing

PS - I'm Spurs through and through but I'm also an ABMU fan.

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