And what's even funnier, he thinks Kaka and gerrard should have a thread were we discuss who's best

Silly boy.

Best post in this thread!
Well done.

I completely agree with everything you say. Again we had a back 4, who have not had many games together at all as a unit, playing against some of the best players in the world. I think to be honest, any predictions I made before the game were from my heart and not my head. Milan in my opinion are the better team, have the better squad, and deserve to go into the final.

We could REALLY do with a Gattuso type player. Just reminded me so much of Roy Keane. Hargreaves has nothing on Gattuso, and although a superb aquisition for the Premiership, when we come up against the best of the best - I dont really think he is good enough.

I've praised Fletcher for his last 2 European performances, and we saw glimses of what he can do - however he looked like a little boy on the field last night, and bottled a superb chance.

And the defending for the 2nd goal was just laughable. Obviously not if your a United fan, but rival supporters would have been loving it. And who can blame them.

Let other fans enjoy it while it lasts. I mean if they can only slag United off for losing a semi final of the European Cup, then we cant be doing to bad. Especially when you look back on previous seasons and see how we have progressed slowly. We are just not quite there. We need a few more top players in my opinion, and I personally don't think the money will be spend on them. They will blow silly amounts on Hargreaves instead.

United fans give plenty of stick out when we are on the up, so we have to be able to take it also.

Good luck to both teams in the Final. Will be a good game I hope.

Well what can you say i thought Milan showed real class last night and dominated in the areas which it mattered. The experience from the likes of Nesta, Seedorf, Gattuso etc really showed. Oddo had the best of Ronaldo and he really struggled to create anything at all. I completely agree with the point you raised there O Dogg, i think at United you certainly need a midfielder in the mould of a Roy Keane or a Gennaro Gattuso to help contest the middle of the park where Gattuso was dominating last night. I believe that Ferguson has actually tried to ign Gattuso before?

Just 3 words

IVAN
GENNARO
GATTUSO

so the treble is now over for Man Utd ...well ok very dissapointing for Utd fans the way Man Utd went out so easily but Milan were outstanding last night .

...a double anyone ...

Yes, please!

was a good post O Dogg and SparkyMark, but i will pick up on 1 thing O Dogg has put.



i really really agree. I find it strange how before the world cup everyone was slating Hargreaves, but after a good world cup, he is now wanted by Manchester United? He has proved he is a good player, and i think will fit in nicely at United, especially in European matches, but will he be able to compare against someone like the proven Gattuso? He was quality yesterday, Ronaldo never really had a chance against him! great example of defending against skill.

You also have to question whether Hargreaves' World Cup was actually that great or whether he just played well in a team that underperformed.

As a fan of United (supporter of Cardiff foremost tho), I have to question whether Hargreaves is worth signing. There are plenty of stronger defensive midfielders in my honest opinion that we could go for, possibly for less cash. My vision of Hargreaves is similar to that of a crab. He tends to always move sideways and you don't really notice him if there are other bigger predators around. I'd much rather a bulldog like Gattuso anyday.

nice evaluation. I too believe there are better players around than him. Sometimes it does appear that Fergie tends to buy players (or get interested in players) on a whim. THat sounds weird cos he normally buys very very well, but this one seems a bit spare of the moment.

i guess the old phrase `only time will tell` will prove whether he will go to Man Utd and if he does whether he will prove a great buy for Sir Alex ..

I'd rather see any transfer money we have go on Bale and Berbatov to be honest. Our midfield is not our weakest area. Heinze has looked suspect since his injury problems and with Saha possibly being offloaded in the Summer, we are left with Smith and Rooney as the only key strikers and Ole playing a bit part.

I don't agree with you. People said the same thing about Carrick after he signed for us and I have seen him integrate with the team well, never negative and one of the main reasons we have played such free flowing football this year.

If you're basing your opinions on Hargreaves from what you've seen of him in an England shirt, then that is fair enough because you have to realise that he is being played in behind Lampard and Gerrard. This means that he has a job to do to hold down the midfield, why the other two players go and do the things that you, are expecting to see of him.

He plays a different role at Bayern and he plays it well, he's a very good player. Obviously he's not world class and nobody is going to start calling him that just because he is moving to United but if he was so overrated and so overpriced then Bayern would have let him go when he had a broken leg and couldn't play for the whole season almost.

I will welcome him, he isn't a player that when he signs it's going to be like the saviour and we never have to worry anymore and he shouldn't be viewed like that by anyone. However, he will bring that depth in midfield we have needed and give us more options. The only thing which makes me a little aprehensive about it all is, that Fergie might be tempted to keep his money in his pocket in regards to a new striker and play the dreaded 4-3-3 formation which makes us play ugly Chelski football.

Are you kidding? What is there other than a 32 year old Paul Scholes and Michael Carrick? Fletcher and O'Shea? It is by far our weakest area.

Look at what Chelsea and even Liverpool have in there to work with.

That's not the midfield we have. Scholes and Carrick are world class regardless of Scholes' age. Fletcher is beginning to show signs of what he can do (about time) and O'Shea is registered as a full-back who just 'can' play in midfield. Add into that Giggs and Ronaldo and you have a tasty midfield capable of creating a lot. United's defence has always been an achilles heel and if Saha moves on in the Summer, our forwards will be down to 2 key and 1 maybe 2 back-up. Midfield is the least of our worries.

Nah, can't agree with you. You are looking at it one dimensionally, ok we have a great starting midfield but behind that we are thread bare.

Fletcher is never going to be good enough or strong enough to lay claim to a starting place. Always going to be a back up player.

Who have we got to fill in for Giggs? Richardson? Get away.

In our midfield, we have Ronaldo, Giggs, Carrick and Scholes who have proved themselves to be United class. That's it. Park is pushing it but he will be a great utility player.

So we have 4 or 5 players in midfield that I, and most would be confident in. Look at Chelsea's midfield, we don't have a chance if we take your attitude.

Just to prove a point.

Chelsea
Claude Makelele
Michael Essien
Frank Lampard
Joe Cole
John Obi Mikel
Michael Ballack
Geremi
Arjen Robben
Lassana Diarra
Shaun Wright-Phillips

Manchester United
Michael Carrick
Cristiano Ronaldo
Ryan Giggs
Ji-sung Park
Paul Scholes
Kieran Richardson
Darren Fletcher

I don't believe you don't see the problem.

very true, and how long will that be around for as well? SCholes and Giggs are getting on, and are going to be very hard to replace. Richardson is never going to be in Giggs league. Fletcher is a good squad player, but not a starter for me.

What will the United midfield look like without Giigs and Scholes?

Richardson...............Carrick............Fletcher/Smith/Fletcher.........Ronaldo

not really title winning midfield is it?

Exactly, I'm afraid that if the Chelsea squad really gels next season then we will be left in their wake. Something needs to be done about it and hopefully it will be.

well we have the same sort of problem. Our wings are very bare.

Central midfield we are laughing with

Gerrard
Alonso
Sissoko
Macherano.

Right Wings, Pennant - improving all the time, but probably not good enough for the highest standard.

Left WIngs, Zenden, Gonzalez, Kewell, Aurelio. Quite a few players there, but not good enough at all.

Firstly I think we over achieved in the Champions League this season no one would have thought we would get this far and if some one had said for this season united will get to the CL semi's Lead the Prem by 5 points and be in the FA cup final come the start of May I’m 100% all united fans would have taken that no questions asked.

Over the two legs our defending cost us, definitely two sloppy goal over the two legs cost us big style. I think we rushed Vidic back to soon because once he was in the team there appeared to be some sort of reliability factor on him from the other defenders.

Hienze really hasn’t reached levels of when first arrived, maybe its due to the injury he suffered coupled with not knowing if ur 1st I don’t know but he has not been his usual self.

What really surprised me was how shocking Giggs was, everyone is going on about the experience of the Milan and rightly so, but we have a guy who has played in numerous Semi's and has vast experience and he was playing like a new kid on the block, he should have been our inspiration in attack.

The only player that comes out with any fight was Scholes always the model pro and underrated player was always trying to make something happen. I feel for him, i just hope that we can try and get to a final for him to retire on a high.

I’m not disappointed that we got knocked out, (i would have loved to play Liverpool in the final), but I think the 7-1 battering we dished out to Roma created a false sense of believe in the CL that coupled with not having a solid defensive unit resulted in what we saw last night.

What disappointed me about last night was that we didn’t show any fight, it was a passive lacklustre performance reminded me 2005, there was a period of about 15 minutes where we pressed and we were causing them problems but we didn’t do that enough.

Overall Milan deserved their victory last night they outclassed us and there is no question about that, Kaka again was amazing in the 1st half and did the damage, second half didn’t do much, but the player that really shone through the 90 was Guttuso, immense player, immeasurable character and great leader on the pitch that is the type of player we were missing, I don’t even know if there are any other players in that mould nowadays.

We’ve still got the double to go for and I will be more then happy we secure a domestic double, because if are honesty to ourselves our one true ambition this season was to win back our league title as the lease period is coming to any end.

Glory Glory Manchester United.