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It was fair in my opinion.
The better team is in the final. Well done to Man Utd though, they've done an amazing CL season.

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Firstly I think we over achieved in the Champions League this season no one would have thought we would get this far and if some one had said for this season united will get to the CL semi's Lead the Prem by 5 points and be in the FA cup final come the start of May I’m 100% all united fans would have taken that no questions asked.

Over the two legs our defending cost us, definitely two sloppy goal over the two legs cost us big style. I think we rushed Vidic back to soon because once he was in the team there appeared to be some sort of reliability factor on him from the other defenders.

Hienze really hasn’t reached levels of when first arrived, maybe its due to the injury he suffered coupled with not knowing if ur 1st I don’t know but he has not been his usual self.

What really surprised me was how shocking Giggs was, everyone is going on about the experience of the Milan and rightly so, but we have a guy who has played in numerous Semi's and has vast experience and he was playing like a new kid on the block, he should have been our inspiration in attack.

The only player that comes out with any fight was Scholes always the model pro and underrated player was always trying to make something happen. I feel for him, i just hope that we can try and get to a final for him to retire on a high.

I’m not disappointed that we got knocked out, (i would have loved to play Liverpool in the final), but I think the 7-1 battering we dished out to Roma created a false sense of believe in the CL that coupled with not having a solid defensive unit resulted in what we saw last night.

What disappointed me about last night was that we didn’t show any fight, it was a passive lacklustre performance reminded me 2005, there was a period of about 15 minutes where we pressed and we were causing them problems but we didn’t do that enough.

Overall Milan deserved their victory last night they outclassed us and there is no question about that, Kaka again was amazing in the 1st half and did the damage, second half didn’t do much, but the player that really shone through the 90 was Guttuso, immense player, immeasurable character and great leader on the pitch that is the type of player we were missing, I don’t even know if there are any other players in that mould nowadays.

We’ve still got the double to go for and I will be more then happy we secure a domestic double, because if are honesty to ourselves our one true ambition this season was to win back our league title as the lease period is coming to any end.

Glory Glory Manchester United.


I agree with everything there. We have definitely over achieved this season. During the summer when we signed Carrick and Kuzczak I thought that was nowhere near enough in numbers or quality but Carrick has made a hell of a difference. It seemed far-fetched that Giggs and Scholes would last the most of the season without picking up injuries, so we have been lucky in that respect.

If Fergie doesn't bolster the midfield for next season then it could be season over. We need a real leader in the centre of the field - some sort of beast, a classy left winger to replace Giggs in the long-term and an out-and-out goalscorer, preferrably with pace (Owen would be awesome).

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Terrible performance from the United team lastnight, the soaked pitch probably didn't help but never the less it was a shambles performance and a shame. I really wanted an all English final being a big fan of English football as well as CAFC

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The tactics were the worst of all. We should have went for it, that team was set up as a shock absorber and it just couldn't cope but awh well, what can you do. What's done is done.

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(Owen would be awesome).


Shocked Shocked

Oh my god I hope you are kidding me? Apologies if you aren't but i really don't see the appeal of Owen any more.

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SparkyMark wrote:
marcofoo wrote:

(Owen would be awesome).


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Oh my god I hope you are kidding me? Apologies if you aren't but i really don't see the appeal of Owen any more.


Not kidding. I think he'd be a big success at United. Just because he made a bad career move and got injured. It doesn't mean he's lost it. Anyway, I'd like some1 with some pace.

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marcofoo wrote:
SparkyMark wrote:
marcofoo wrote:

(Owen would be awesome).


Shocked Shocked

Oh my god I hope you are kidding me? Apologies if you aren't but i really don't see the appeal of Owen any more.


Not kidding. I think he'd be a big success at United. Just because he made a bad career move and got injured. It doesn't mean he's lost it. Anyway, I'd like some1 with some pace.


Marcoo got to agree with you. I rate Michael Owen so highly. I still think he has a lot to give. I would have him back at ANfield above all our other targets, without a doubt. Yes he has had injuries, but if he stays clear of them, he will get you at least 20 goals a season, guaranteed. Still one of the best finishers around.

Can you imagine ROnaldo, Rooney, Owen and Giggs running at a defence. Be immence! Hope United dont get him!

TO be fair i think he feels loyalty towards Newcastle for sticking with him, so he wont go anywhere.

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Can you imagine ROnaldo, Rooney, Owen and Giggs running at a defence. Be immence! Hope United dont get him!


He's sh|t!

Can you imagine Rooney, Ronaldo, Giggs and someone in a wheelchair running at a defence. Still quite scary actually Very Happy

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Keep that crock away from our club. We don't need Robbie Fowler #2 in the shirt of the real reds.

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It's alright blaming the Defence, I mean they were awful. But the Midfield was outclassed by better players and the attacking force was nullified by a superior Milan Defence. Of course Milan had the advantage last night of having Gattuso able to play nearly the full ninety - and what a difference he makes in that side. He's as important as anyone in their squad to their success.

I said after the first game that I thought Milan played pretty poor despite Kaká's two great goals. Dida made a mistake coming for a set-piece and ended up tipping the ball into his own net. That wasn't a well made goal. Then Rooney's equaliser, that was an amateur mistake from Oddo who didn't step up with the rest of the Defence. Nesta played Rooney offside only for Oddo to play him on because he was sleeping at Right Back. You have to credit Rooney for the third though, because it was a brilliant shot and Dida was nowhere. It's hard to save well placed shots into the bottom corner, as Van Der Sar found out in the second leg.

But even at Old Trafford, Milan played the better football and commanded the game. When Brocchi came on for Gattuso, Man United got more possession in Midfield - and fair play to them, took full advantage.

But solely blaming your Defence when the whole team was useless against a superior opposition is naff. It's not as if it's unusual for your attacking force & Midfield to be silenced in the tougher games though is it? When we beat you twice, Scholes was outplayed by Fàbregas and Ronaldo was silenced by our two Fullbacks.

They have been your most important players this season and when they're outplayed, your team struggles badly.

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They have been your most important players this season and when they're outplayed, your team struggles badly.


I agree with that statement.

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to take 5 goals in 2 legs, it's a defense problem. It's clear. Confused

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As I said, the Defence was rubbish. But the Midfield were outplayed & the Attack was nullified.

I love how they blame these Defenders only, then use the injury excuse. Sure we reached the final last season without Lauren, without Campbell and without Cole. Flamini (about 6 men back in the Left Back ability line), Eboué and Senderos played big parts on our way to the final.

They did do well, but our Midfield was excellent throughout, as was our attacking when needed. It takes 11 men to win or lose a game in my opinion. Not just the Defence.

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As I said, the Defence was rubbish. But the Midfield were outplayed & the Attack was nullified.

I love how they blame these Defenders only, then use the injury excuse. Sure we reached the final last season without Lauren, without Campbell and without Cole. Flamini (about 6 men back in the Left Back ability line), Eboué and Senderos played big parts on our way to the final.

They did do well, but our Midfield was excellent throughout, as was our attacking when needed. It takes 11 men to win or lose a game in my opinion. Not just the Defence.


You are comparing Milan to Villareal. I'm sure we could have coped with Villareal last night.

And I truely believe with a fully fit first choice back line we would be in the final. The defensive mistakes last night were real schoolboy errors. It's true the rest of the team were poor, but there's not alot the rest of them team can do when the defence play like that. If Milans defence played like that it would have been an open game but they were solid.

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As I said, the Defence was rubbish. But the Midfield were outplayed & the Attack was nullified.

I love how they blame these Defenders only, then use the injury excuse. Sure we reached the final last season without Lauren, without Campbell and without Cole. Flamini (about 6 men back in the Left Back ability line), Eboué and Senderos played big parts on our way to the final.

They did do well, but our Midfield was excellent throughout, as was our attacking when needed. It takes 11 men to win or lose a game in my opinion. Not just the Defence.


For the 2nd leg i've only seen the highlights, so i can't talk about the midfield but on the highlights i've seen that the defense made several faults, and on the first leg i've not find the midfield not good but the defense was not good.

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You are comparing Milan to Villareal. I'm sure we could have coped with Villareal last night.

And I truely believe with a fully fit first choice back line we would be in the final. The defensive mistakes last night were real schoolboy errors. It's true the rest of the team were poor, but there's not alot the rest of them team can do when the defence play like that. If Milans defence played like that it would have been an open game but they were solid.


Wake up, did Rooney receive the ball to his feet? Yes. Did he do anything? No. Did Ronaldo? No, even worse he was. Scholes was stuck in a muddle because there weren't any passes on, because the support from the rest of the Midfielders was useless and Carrick was found out against good opposition.

All football contests take part in the Midfield area firstly. That's the most important area, and you were truly outclassed by superior opposition. Gattuso made Ronaldo look like a school boy. Kaká waltzed through Scholes' radar without notice and Seedorf enjoyed his game like a friendly.

The first goal, was down to pure class attacking football from Milano. They waltzed through your Midfield and their runners were confusing your Midfielders. Your Defence had to cope with it all, and were ultimately ripped apart - any Defence would have suffered that onslaught. But it all started from the middle of the park.

Can you honestly say that Wes Brown was any worse than Crísti Ronaldo? Come on!?

You conceded two goals, and went forward to get two back but couldn't even get a single decent shot in on Dida! Your Midfield couldn't create a thing and you're attackers were completely invisible.

Truly outclassed all over the pitch - honestly, not just in Defence.

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marcofoo wrote:
You are comparing Milan to Villareal. I'm sure we could have coped with Villareal last night.

And I truely believe with a fully fit first choice back line we would be in the final. The defensive mistakes last night were real schoolboy errors. It's true the rest of the team were poor, but there's not alot the rest of them team can do when the defence play like that. If Milans defence played like that it would have been an open game but they were solid.


Wake up, did Rooney receive the ball to his feet? Yes. Did he do anything? No. Did Ronaldo? No, even worse he was. Scholes was stuck in a muddle because there weren't any passes on, because the support from the rest of the Midfielders was useless and Carrick was found out against good opposition.

All football contests take part in the Midfield area firstly. That's the most important area, and you were truly outclassed by superior opposition. Gattuso made Ronaldo look like a school boy. Kaká waltzed through Scholes' radar without notice and Seedorf enjoyed his game like a friendly.

The first goal, was down to pure class attacking football from Milano. They waltzed through your Midfield and their runners were confusing your Midfielders. Your Defence had to cope with it all, and were ultimately ripped apart - any Defence would have suffered that onslaught. But it all started from the middle of the park.

Can you honestly say that Wes Brown was any worse than Crísti Ronaldo? Come on!?

You conceded two goals, and went forward to get two back but couldn't even get a single decent shot in on Dida! Your Midfield couldn't create a thing and you're attackers were completely invisible.

Truly outclassed all over the pitch - honestly, not just in Defence.


Brilliant post.

Marco; this is why I said to you the other day that you know nothing about football. "If we had our first choice defence we'd be in the final" - what kind of arrogant one eyed rubbish is that? Pathetic. Maldini and Gattuso went off in the first leg when they were winning 2-1, Rooney and Scholes didn't even get a look in until they left the pitch. And the first goal was a mistake by Dida. Schoolboy error as you say. Kaka's first goals in both legs were down to his and his team's class, not your defenders. So that still makes the aggregate score 2-0 to Milan.

Face the facts like your manager did - your whole team were outclassed.

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marcofoo wrote:
You are comparing Milan to Villareal. I'm sure we could have coped with Villareal last night.

And I truely believe with a fully fit first choice back line we would be in the final. The defensive mistakes last night were real schoolboy errors. It's true the rest of the team were poor, but there's not alot the rest of them team can do when the defence play like that. If Milans defence played like that it would have been an open game but they were solid.


Wake up, did Rooney receive the ball to his feet? Yes. Did he do anything? No. Did Ronaldo? No, even worse he was. Scholes was stuck in a muddle because there weren't any passes on, because the support from the rest of the Midfielders was useless and Carrick was found out against good opposition.

All football contests take part in the Midfield area firstly. That's the most important area, and you were truly outclassed by superior opposition. Gattuso made Ronaldo look like a school boy. Kaká waltzed through Scholes' radar without notice and Seedorf enjoyed his game like a friendly.

The first goal, was down to pure class attacking football from Milano. They waltzed through your Midfield and their runners were confusing your Midfielders. Your Defence had to cope with it all, and were ultimately ripped apart - any Defence would have suffered that onslaught. But it all started from the middle of the park.

Can you honestly say that Wes Brown was any worse than Crísti Ronaldo? Come on!?

You conceded two goals, and went forward to get two back but couldn't even get a single decent shot in on Dida! Your Midfield couldn't create a thing and you're attackers were completely invisible.

Truly outclassed all over the pitch - honestly, not just in Defence.


We were outclassed yes. But we conceded the easiest of goals. A strong United defence may not have made any of those errors and held out for a draw.

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We were outclassed yes. But we conceded the easiest of goals. A strong United defence may not have made any of those errors and held out for a draw.


The second goal was an error, the third was because of Fergie gambling to get back in the game. But what errors with the first? That was just an excellently constructed team goal.

Call it AC Milan 1-0 Man Utd then. You'd have still gone out.

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Man United are better then Milan. They are top of the strongest leauge in the world. Milan are 3rd in a poor Seria A. Man United are just physically tired and drained cause they play much more games and they have loads of injuries. But heh you win some you lose some. Just like Chelsea losing to Liverpool, Liverpool are 3rd while Chelsea are miles ahead. But Chelsea are better.
The FA Cup final will be a better game then the Champions Leauge final.

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LaughingLaughingLaughing

the top of the strongest league didnt see which color was the ball yesterday mate. About Chelsea, they will always lose these decisive games against teams with glorious history, Liverpool's shirt was too heavy for them, just like it was 2 years ago, and Barça's one last year

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Football is a funny game. Overall, this season ManU has been more impressive than Milan, but still on the night the better team won. Anyone who says Milan are a better team this year are fooling themselves. They just happened to have the second leg at home and a relatively healthy squad, whereas we were playing away (something that seems to be giving us problems this season in the CL) and with several players missing or simply not ready for such a big game.

You want to know why Milan qualified look no further than ONE PLAYER: Kaka. He scored the 2 crucial away goals and the crucial first goal at Milan. Of course, Gattuso was immense in both games and Seedorf was sublime in the second, but it still all comes down to Kaka's brilliance for me. On both legs, their best player was firing on all cylinders while our best player was firing blanks.

It's football and it happens. Don't try to read much more into it. And i am most definitely not saying Milan didn't deserve to qualify, cause they sure did. They killed us in that second match but, overall, the difference was Kaka.

On a similar note, i've been saying for ages that if United needs 2 players and can afford to get both those would be Kaka and Gattuso. Will never happen, i know, but one can dream.

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KingDrogba wrote:
Man United are better then Milan. They are top of the strongest leauge in the world. Milan are 3rd in a poor Seria A. Man United are just physically tired and drained cause they play much more games and they have loads of injuries. But heh you win some you lose some. Just like Chelsea losing to Liverpool, Liverpool are 3rd while Chelsea are miles ahead. But Chelsea are better.
The FA Cup final will be a better game then the Champions Leauge final.


Excuses excuses like always in your posts.

Man Utd played with most of their best players like Giggs, Rooney, Scholes, Ronaldo,.... and what they did? Nothing. Milan won because is a better team and they demonstrated it clearly during the game. And Chelsea can buy the players that they want but they will never have the history and the fans of Liverpool. And it's more important than having a rich russian man.