gutted! but well done scotland for giving us a chance to even qualify. and lets hope we build on this and move forward. surley the luck of the italians will run out soon, i had flash backs to the penalty against the australians, which should never had been.

and yes maybe the goal wasnt offside and ours was. but it was touch and go, but as for the freekick going to the italians, just madness, the ref must feel like a bloody idiot today.

absolutely right duke.

the fact is, for all their trying, scotland just aint good enough.

instead of the usual ref baiting how about people just be pleased that such a bog standard nation got that far in the first place.

well done Italy

this is the british fairplay, everyone on TV during the match,,italian speakers, were destroying my balls on it, "we should learn from them , and blablabla...... FUKK THEM!
I like the way I am, if this is british fairplay, always crying and accusing others if the team supported lose, searching excuses and attacking the referee EVEN if we had 1 regular goal not seen and your goal was in offside.
show respect and learn some fairplay, bad losers

agreed

Reading this forum for over a year I'm starting to think that the british fair play and culture of the defeat is just an urban legend..

Frey's a great keeper, for sure the number 2 keeper after Buffon in Italy. Just don't know why Domenech and the other french coaches before him keep up ignoring him.

it hasnt existed for about 15 years now

What do you think is the reason for this change?

in football terms its a win at all costs, greed-is-good mentality.

money, power, fame and success is far more important than anything else and people will do anything to get it.

its the state of modern society unfortunately

You'll find it's not really the british but the scots.

yes, we really do need to get that point across.

England couldnt give two sh*ts. i personally am glad scotland lost.

Convenient. The free-kick for Italy's second was an unbelievable decision. One of the worst i've ever seen. Such idiocy should be treated with the death penalty.

So there was that goal, the Italian's disallowed goal that should have stood, and the Scots could have had a penalty, making the score 2-2. Scotlands goal was touch-and-go.



*sigh* Dumb Italian f*ck. Like you'd have been happy if you'd have gone out. Yeh right. It's so easy to say all that on the back of winning.

CFCBhoy isn't scot..... but now that I think isn't british either Then would be scots and one irish

The point still stands though. The Scots are going to be the ones complaining on this game because it's involving them. If England were involved i'm sure we'd be just as bad.

Yes if it has happened with England english fans would do the same, I remember other games (of the national team and clubs) with english fans complaining about the ref. Then are the british and irish.

thats b*llocks Ben.

Italy deserved the win, were and are the better side and were victim to poor refereeing decisions just as much as the Jocks. Italy never left second gear and yet were still too much for them to handle.

instead of keeping a dignified silence and concentrating on what was a good qualifying attempt by scotland ans giving out the necessary pats on backs they lower themselves to whingeing about a free kick that was poorly given.

its sad.

The decisions probably did even themselves out.

But how in the world can you justify their second goal? Please tell me. That is after all what it all really stems from, the grievous sense of injustice at the end.

what are you talking about?

how have i justified it? i clearly describe the free kick as "poorly given" in my post.

the fact is, it was a free kick. not a penalty, and most certainly not a legitimite goal ruled out that the italians had. given the choice i would choose a dodgy free kick going against me. at least you can do something about that if you have an ounce of defensive ability.

like i said, its sad the jocks need to whine about it.

For the goal refused for Italy and allowed for Scotland, i think that without a replay you can't see which is offside or not. It can be allowed as it could be refused. In a match there are many offsides which are not, and onsides who are not.

For the free kick at the end of the match, who has taken this decision ? the referee or the linesman ?

I'm not saying you did justify it - the point is that it can't be justified. Which makes the decision much more annoying for the team it has gone against. You couldn't in a million years understand why it was given. I'm sure there would have been less whining had it not happened. Or even if it was a touch-and-go decision.

its just easier to blame a match official than to admit your team are not good enough isnt it.

it was a free kick. how many dodgy free kicks are given week in week out?

i would imagine that the referee thought the defender had put his body across the ball and obstructing his opponent