Hleb Is Finnaly Gone
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3827621,00.html

And on Barry and Alonso we need one of them to find the void left by Flamini and now Gilberto by the looks of it we need that support and Alonso would have an extra year than Barry and also would clear the way for Liverpool to get Barry which is meant to be the plan also we can have a Spanish supremo in our central

The same central duo that played against Greece...

I'm happy that finally the Hleb thing came to an end. So now Nasri can start straightaway or Wenger has someother plans??? What do you guys think? Will Nasri start in place of Hleb??? Or someother player like Vela???

I'm sure this goes for every team. To think that this isn't the case with every team would be foolish. Call it hopeful optimism. When a player is signed, most tend to think of the qualities and potential that player can bring.

As far as Hleb goes, he will surely be missed, but you can't go against Wenger's transfer record, especially when it comes to players leaving and especially for Barca.

Hleb is very talented no doubt, but his scoring record is abysmal and for a player who was essentially brought into replace Pires, that's unacceptable. Pires was at or near double digits in goals for several seasons, Hleb has never come close.

Do you remember the players Barca have transferred in? None of them have exactly turned out the way they thought. Overmars, Petit, Von Bronckhorst, Henry, and now Hleb. Now, they haven't been dreadful, but Wenger knows when it's the right time to let a player go. As of late, you rarely see a former Arsenal star shine at another club. You don't exactly say to yourself, "wow, why did Wenger let him go?"

Let's see some more:

Ashley Cole - No, he hasn't been bad, but not exactly the same player. Doesn't matter anyways because of Clichy

Viera - Not really

Petit - Nope

Parlour - No

Anelka - Perhaps, he's still a good player, but never lived up to the expectations

Bentley - Perhaps, still hast time

Larsson - No, but still has time

Llungberg - Not really


I just hope Wenger isn't done this summer. That would be a mistake. There's no way we can hope for any improvement over last season with what we have right now. The right amount of quality, experience, and depth is not where it needs to be.

Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:35 am

If it Aint Steely,
It Aint Worth Sh*t

Pleaaassseee tell me your joking about Vieria not being good after leaving Arsenal? I must say he has become amuch more complete player after leaving the club. Despite being older and a veteran he still learnt a few things with Juventus and Inter Milan and it has improved his game. If Vieria was at Arsenal now he would easily fill that new void in midfield, no worries.

Arsenal will not get Alonso.

Pleaaassseee tell me your joking about Vieria not being good after leaving Arsenal? I must say he has become amuch more complete player after leaving the club. Despite being older and a veteran he still learnt a few things with Juventus and Inter Milan and it has improved his game. If Vieria was at Arsenal now he would easily fill that new void in midfield, no worries.[/quote]

How has he become a "much more complete" player? His game was already very polished when he left, not leaving a lot of room for improvement. He was solid both offensively and defensively. I will admit that I don't watch him on a weekly or even monthly basis, but I'd be interested to hear how he has improved, to what aspect(s) of his game specifically.

I didn't say he wasn't good after leaving. My point was that Wenger is extremely good at knowing when to let players go and Barca has a history of bad luck or misuse of former Arsenal players.

Gilberto has officialy left Arsenal today and signed for Greek side Panathinikos for £1 million only.

Out of the 2004 Arsenal invincibles team only defender Kolo Toure remains now from the title winning side...

The season before last Vieira ws immense for Inter. Right up there with his Arsenal days.

Also, you were wrong about van Bronckhorst and Bentley. Both improved after leaving Arsenal.

Oh and let's not forget Sol Campbell. He revived his career at Portsmouth.

Don't know how much of Barry you've watched ,but as hard a worker he is ,a vieira he's not. He doesn't have the technical quality to play for Arsenal. He hasn't showed me any creativity or flair in the middle or any of the passing quality of other Arsenal players.Compared to Flamini, Barry is a very poor replacement. I think the British press seem to go over board when a decent British player becomes available for transfer, solely because they want try and balance the constant talk about foreign prem players that seem to dominate transfer rumors right now.

By the way you forgot Reyes on that list.

Your wrong about Hleb as i have said time and time again. It's not his goal scoring record Wenger bought him for , as it wasn't any better at stuttgart. It's about how a player contributes in the less obvious ways. Comparing Hleb to Pires isn't fair or accurate ,because Hleb did things pires never did like break up plays in his own half and create attacks from the same sequence.Hleb maintained the ball better than any Arsenal player i have watched and was near impossible to tackle.He won Arsenal numerous important penalties and was the catalyst in many goals even though he didn't get the assist.

Ashley Cole as much as i hate the guy ,he's one of the best left backs in the game without question and was England's best player in the world cup.He is about as consistently good as you will get at the top level even now.

Vieira was obviously not going to put in the performances he gave at Arsenal ,but he is still quality when i saw him for Inter.He still control the midfield even though he may not take the ball to the goal when he see's the openings.

Wenger is one of the smartest men in the game ,but i also think he is a very stubborn man , that being more evident in the transfer of Hleb and Diarra. He is someone who believes that if a player wants to leave then he can leave regardless of the importance he was in the Arsenal team. It seems that he a lot of Pride and belief in his system and that no player is above his system.I think it is a good quality to have as a man ,but i am not so sure it is a realistic quality in today market place.

By the way you forgot Reyes on that list.

Your wrong about Hleb as i have said time and time again. It's not his goal scoring record Wenger bought him for , as it wasn't any better at stuttgart. It's about how a player contributes in the less obvious ways. Comparing Hleb to Pires isn't fair or accurate ,because Hleb did things pires never did like break up plays in his own half and create attacks from the same sequence.Hleb maintained the ball better than any Arsenal player i have watched and was near impossible to tackle.He won Arsenal numerous important penalties and was the catalyst in many goals even though he didn't get the assist.

Ashley Cole as much as i hate the guy ,he's one of the best left backs in the game without question and was England's best player in the world cup.He is about as consistently good as you will get at the top level even now.

Vieira was obviously not going to put in the performances he gave at Arsenal ,but he is still quality when i saw him for Inter.He still control the midfield even though he may not take the ball to the goal when he see's the openings.

Wenger is one of the smartest men in the game ,but i also think he is a very stubborn man , that being more evident in the transfer of Hleb and Diarra. He is someone who believes that if a player wants to leave then he can leave regardless of the importance he was in the Arsenal team. It seems that he a lot of Pride and belief in his system and that no player is above his system.I think it is a good quality to have as a man ,but i am not so sure it is a realistic quality in today market place.[/quote]

Ahh, Reyes. What a great experiment that one was.

Cole was replaced easily. Clichy will surpass him in every facet of the game in the next season or two.

We disagree on Hleb (& Pires), but I'm not going to argue with you because that would be pointless.

I think we can all agree on Wenger's pride getting in the way of building an even better football squad. I don't have a problem with his transfer out policy, it's his transfer in policy that worries me. Especially now, with this Berbatov Man U thing sounding like it's got some merit to it. If that happens, then Arsenal will fall even further behind.

Ahh, Reyes. What a great experiment that one was.

Cole was replaced easily. Clichy will surpass him in every facet of the game in the next season or two.

We disagree on Hleb (& Pires), but I'm not going to argue with you because that would be pointless.

I think we can all agree on Wenger's pride getting in the way of building an even better football squad. I don't have a problem with his transfer out policy, it's his transfer in policy that worries me. Especially now, with this Berbatov Man U thing sounding like it's got some merit to it. If that happens, then Arsenal will fall even further behind.[/quote]


Wenger is never effected or worried about what Man U or Chelsea signs,Wenger is far to confident in his style of football to worry about other peoples signings.
I think his whole strategy is to find players that technically fit his high standards, the better the ability of the player the harder it is for teams to match them regardless of anything. Man U can sign Drogba as far as i'm concerned ,it makes no difference when Arsenal are on song . When Arsenal play at their best no team on the planet can beat them and every team knows that.

Arsenal signed some young 17 year old French kid. I don't remember his name but has anyone seen him play and how many years do you think it will take for him to be first team quality?

Now Arsenal really have problems. Toure has Malaria and will be out for i don't know how long. My major concern for Arsenal not signing any defenders are coming true if the illness effects his starting the season.

Yup were basically F**ked if he out for a long time i Wenger will still think the defense is strong enough without song also we have Gallas and Senderos cant really see it working he still has time to buy one but prob will not

Could be a blessing in disguise though come to think of it,as it will force wenger to buy necessary help until Toure gets back to full fitness.The added depth will pay off later in the season when all defenders are fit. I don't think song will ever be good enough for Arsenal,he looks way to cumbersome and slow of foot. Lacks creativity and sophistication to play the midfield.I think he's a liability to be honest.

He name is Francis Coquelin and he played the second half of the game against Szombathelyi H he a left midfielder and look very promising speed stamina and technical ability look quite good according to the commentators he was the best player on at the second half with him and Jack Wilshere age 16 also a left midfield that side looks promising in years to come he also played against Barnet and Szombathelyi H and look very promising also.

How has he become a "much more complete" player? His game was already very polished when he left, not leaving a lot of room for improvement. He was solid both offensively and defensively. I will admit that I don't watch him on a weekly or even monthly basis, but I'd be interested to hear how he has improved, to what aspect(s) of his game specifically.

I didn't say he wasn't good after leaving. My point was that Wenger is extremely good at knowing when to let players go and Barca has a history of bad luck or misuse of former Arsenal players.[/quote]

He is an immense player as Sticky has said and provides alot more assists now. His tackling although it was great at Arsenal has seemed to improve, he wins the ball more often and can build a great offensive from a tackle in midfield. Watch some old Arsenal footage, and then watch Vieria for Inter Milan. You will notice he is a slightly better player, I feel this is from playing in a different league, you pick up certain traits, also the slower pace suits him as he is an "older" player now.

Rumour has it Arsenal are thinking about swapping RVP for juve youngster Giovinco ,as tthe Italian striker is unhappy with his incredibly low earnings.
Never heard of him to tell the truth ,so i took a ganders on youtube. What i saw was a player that has good technical skills ,but poor awareness and judgement. A RVP he is not and why they would even think about swapping the two is beyond me.

Are we totally insane or is old age getting to Wenger please tell me if we every get rid of van Persie it be for 1 reason he gets injured too much and i think Wenger would bring in a older replacement like villa

i doooooooooooont think so!