Good post mate. Think United will win the League, and if they do will be worthy Champions again. Unlike Arsenal

So to cut the long story short, you are saying that you didn’t want to win the game, which was what I said earlier. OK, at least we cleared that up then.

I disagree with the notion that Arsenal’s players did not try 100% to win this game; if that is true then it smacks of a lack of professionalism by Arsene Wenger and, as Steely said, the fans who travelled up north to see their team should be reimbursed immediately.

But if that’s your opinion then fair enough; I can’t change it.

Well done Man United. Put on a great show. Arsenal were shocking. There passing was real bad. Man United still missed big players and still won in style. Brilliant

No it was not a one off - it also happened against your other fierce rivals a couple of weeks back.

Well said Doggy!

That was different. We didn't back out of the game or limit the players to save them, we played Spurs in a match and got hammered.

Again, you didn't understand what I said. Read the sentence after the bit you highlighted to see the point I was making. I was showing that Wenger clearly says it was a one off in terms of how we approached the game.

The Spurs game as I said was different. We went out to win and got truly stuffed. Wenger knows that and in his post-match report of the Man Utd game he discussed the heavy cup defeats, but still concluded that the Man Utd game was a "one off", so you work it out from that.

to be fair it is all part of the game ....Wenger is hardly going to say .."yeah they always seem to have the edge over us , they done us well and proper " a few days bfore a crucial Champions League match .

J-Axe, you don't understand what Wenger said. He clearly refers to the result being a one off, not his team's approach to the game:



Also, you're implying that Arsenal tried harder to win against Spurs than they did against United, but that completely contradicts Wenger's comments after the games. After the Spurs match, he sounded like he was almost glad they were out, and even stated that he wished he rested more players as the Carling Cup wasn't a priority. After this game however, he's used virtually every single excuse under the sun, which is a clear indicator that he did care. He's blamed the pitch, criticised the referee for harshly sending off Eboue (how?!), used injuries as an excuse and even slammed Nani for showboating.

I understand that you're basing your opinions of the two games in question on the performances, but with all due respect to you, I think I'd rather use Wenger's post match feelings as a clearer gauge to measure how hard his team tried (as well as my own personal opinion of the performances), and in doing that, I think it's crystal clear that Arsenal tried every bit as hard to win on Saturday as they did against us.

I would never question the will to win of a player or a team representing Arsene Wenger, such is the respect I have for the man as a professional football manager

Very true. You don't want to show a weakness, I understand your point. Having said that, I've seen Fergie admit many times that his team wasn't good enough. It's football. Sh!t happens. Sometimes results and performances like this can and do happen.

why would you think that fa cup isn't a big thropy to earn?.. although i consider it could be a little bit more favourable than the carling cup..

sacrificing too many things would get you nowhere.. i'm probably looking forward to reading something like.. [oh.. we're finally sacrificing the cl cup for the league cup too.. cutting down a number of other matches will be an advantage to concentrate in the league matches].. when you just lose to milan by chance then.. lol..

but not very often ....this was a one off result ....and the defeat by Spurs also was a one off ....

We would sacrifice whatever it takes to help us win the title.

Before the season all opposition fans thought we'd no chance. Now with only a short number of games to go, we are favourites. If we need to make sacrifices then we will.

The effort, limitations and performance of the limited squad showed that.

Wenger talks sh"t to the media all the time. He lies to the media to cover things for the benefit of his team. He does his best to take the flak away from the team and tries to gain some positives out of it.

I know fine rightly that Wenger sent those players out with limited tactics & commands. Ben91 could see it, yet nobody has argued his points. It all makes logical sense and the evidence proves it.

i can't help wondering why you always mention it.. who thought you didn't have a chance.. -.-?
that's not quite a few matched to go.. several matches should sound better.. lol..

because ben might feel the same way considering what happened to Liverpool?.. sacrificing fa cup for cl cup too.. lol..

When Henry signed with Barca and before the campaign started, EVERY critic said Arsenal would struggle. They even said they would be fighting for the final CL spot. But now 2/3rds of the way through the campaign, all the critics have been proved wrong.

Anyone that watched Arsenal last year, could tell that the team had potential. Whether it came this year or the next. Arsenal were dropping points last year (similar to what Liverpool are doing this year), and that's the reason they weren't up top fighting for the league title. On top of the fact that Henry and Van Persie were injured for most of the season. In games among the top 4, Arsenal had the best record/most points.

But that has nothing to do with this match?

As for Mr Axe saying they didnt want to win the game - here are some quotes from your players:



and also Mr Wenger



Everything being said is pointing to the fact they are embarrassed by their performance, and quite right too. If you are telling me this team did not try to win that game, then you really are deluded son. Why don't you just swallow your pride instead of spouting off the same rubbish. Wenger has admitted it was an off day (2nd in as many months), and Cesc has admitted he hadn't left his house since the game as he was trying to learn some things from Anderson haha. But seriously, your boys turned up, got outplayed from the kickoff, and as time went on, let their heads drop and got thumped.

Everyone can see this apart from you....oh and your sidekick Ben.

Now take of those glasses son!

Well said Doggster!

poor, poor axe man.


give me a hug, everything will be alright

well.. when the campaign started.. we did play draw or even lost in matches.. and we're like scoring very little goals.. while you're moving forward at the same time.. wasn't everyone thinking that we'd probably be left out nowhere too?..

having injured players won't be quite a good excuse for everything.. we're also having a number of injured ones till new year.. you may still own the best record so far.. but you just own the worst record too.. being trashed twice.. i don't mind losing a few times.. but i do mind being trashed.. and it's top 4 teams we're talking about.. lol..

this's seriously no fun anymore.. when you guys lose.. you just come up and say you didn't mean to win matches.. so if you guys fail to take care of milan later.. i'm already hoping to see the same old words like 'we can be now concentrating on the league'.. and what if.. talking about chances.. if we beat you in the league later.. are you saying another thing like.. 'we're concentrating on the next season'?..