A wise man looks for answers to back up his theory....a fool just makes excuses to validate his opinion...

So Cyril, what do your feel are the attributes that the world player of the year should have? Ability to cheat his way into winning free kicks, ability to sulk when a referee doesn't feel sorry for him when he goes down, ability to play a game of football without getting a single hair out of place?

If that's your criteria then sure Cristiano Ronaldo would win it hands down....

Formost people it would be the stats that the rest of the world judge players by, you know silly little things like Work rate, passes completed, yards covered, passes intercepted....you know the silly little things that win teams games.

judge him on that sort of stuff and i doubt whether he will be in the top ten...

but let's face it, as we all know what is really important to ever supporter is how many stupid step overs a player can do....i guess Ronaldo must win player of the year then....

Please give me a break! Are you for real??! I think your britishness is taking control of your judgement! Ronney is too inconsistent and thats a hard fact it might be one hard to take but its no less of a fact!

You are a fool. Even people that hate him have to admit the facts. Do you want a hard fact:

KAKA Goal score ratio: 1 for every 4 games

CR7 Goal score ratio: nearly 1 goal every 2 games - 203 games 78 goals

Without counting with assists.

I am pretty sure someone posted a hard fact on here (o dogg maybe) that Ronaldo has only set up 3 goals for team mates this season.

And how can you say Rooney is inconsistant when Ronaldo can only perform agianst teams of a lesser standard than him? He is fantastic at destroying smaller teams but where is he against the best? Answer me that?

p.s goals does not always give a fair reflexion on things. For example i am pretty sure John Carew has more goals than Rooney this year, does that make him a better player? nope! Ronaldo's goal scoring form is remarkable but basing him as being the best via the goals he has scored does not show the whole picture.

I partly agree in what you say. True he only has 3 assists this year. Last year he had more assists than goals and he still managed to score 18+ goals. Its not his fault that Rooney doesnt have good positioning.
Regarding the other point you made about he only makes it against smaller teams. Reason behind that he is always targeted by 2 sometimes three defenders and look in the United team or even in the premier league and see who is the player more fauled in the premiership! Theres your answer mate.

Ronaldo rarely does the business against the top teams, but that doesn't mean he is more inconsistent than Rooney. How many times has Rooney really been that good this season? I've certainly not been impressed a lot - nowhere near as much as 2 seasons ago.

I think they are leagues apart. Ronaldo completely overshadows him.

Oh and O Dogg, just because some people think Ronaldo is the best, it doesn't mean all of them are basing that solely on media hype.

For a start, Kaka isn't even in contention in my mind. So that only leaves a few top players in with a shout.

There's the argument that Ronaldo doesn't do it against the best teams, and his decision making is poor. That's true.

But i think what he is able to do far outweighs that. He can do almost everything. He is superb in the air, strong, fast, skillful, good at shooting and a clinical finisher.

He destroys teams on his own. He's the most deadly player in the world.

Some people seem to be ignoring his goals. Obviously it's not all about goals, but goals are how you win football matches. He has 30 of them already this season. 30! That's a truly remarkable achievement. He is only two off of George Best's record. Doesn't that say it all?

not really mate, as do you not think players such as Kaka and Messi get players doubling up on them? George Best for example had about 5 players a game marking him. The best up their game when they are doubled up and against better opponants. If he is struggling trying to go past 2 players at a time, then do something different. Take the different circumstances into consideration. Use your brain and make better decisions. Use your team. If he used his team more against better opposition then he would be more productive i am sure. He is too selfish to be the best player in the world for me.

Just ask the Manchester United fans on here who watch him all the time what they think of him. Forev, O dogg and tdv all agree he is not the best due to some of the points i have raised. He has the ability to be the best player in the world in the future and to keep hold of that title for a number of years, but for me, not until he does the basics better.

Thanks Sticky T

I could not said that better myself. He is a lethal weapon. The only people that dont recognize that are either not Man U fans or are the same Man U fans that when he first arrived he was a one trick poney!

Get real you better recognize!

Cristiano Ronaldo can overshadow him.
He is more stable than Rooney I think.He is a complete footballer.That's what I say.

been contradictory here sticky, first you say its not all about goals and then you say him being 2 goals behind George Best's record says it all.




The way i compare it, in laymans terms, is that of a 15 year old playing against 10 year olds. Here he will destroy the opposition, but when he plays someone his own age, he gets found out. I know that is rather a [beep!] way of putting it but think about it. How can a player who doesnt perform against the best teams or on the big stage be the best in the world?

He is a fantastic player, easily top 5 in the world. But I would rather have the other two players at Liverpool for me, and there are plenty of reasons for me to warrant this.

Yes he can run with the ball, score goals, head the ball very well, but how can he be the most complete footballer when he wont do the basics to the best of his ability. He shoots when a pass would be a better option. He takes players on when a simple pass would be a better option on quite a few occasions. These two examples for me mean his decision making is not good. He is not a team player. It is a team sport.

It is just being biased to ignore the fact that he has flaws in his game which mean at present, for me Messi at least, is a better player than him.

Of course you had to be a scouser did you! Surely you have great examples of world class players dont you. Apart from Stevie G that is not world class by the way all your team is very average. You'll be lucky to get 4th place. Better win the CL to make sure your american owners get a few squid in next season!

And how annoying is it when he stands with the ball and waves his feet around for about 20 seconds before passing it! What is this acheiving? It makes him look like an idiot

Someone said earlier that in big games, opposing teams tend to put 2 men on him and stop him from playing....rubbish. Paul Telfer (yes, Paul Telfer) single-handedly marked him out of the game at Celtic Park and he got absolutley no help from Nakamura. Just bottles it when it matters most.

, See you have resorted in trying to abuse Liverpool. Try not to hit me where it hurts. Dear dear me. What has any of that got to do with anything? i can assure you me supporting Liverpool has nothing to do with this thread. Messi is a better player than Ronaldo for me and i have given you reasons why i think this. You have not given me any good, legitimate reason for defending the fact he plays poorly against good opposition. The excuse of players doubling up on him is laughable!

At least Gerrard makes meaningful contributions against top opponanats and on the big occasions. Something your boy does not do.

thank you, some common sense. Surely a quick pass instead of waving his foot around would be more beneifical to his team? But of course that wont signal him out any more so no wonder.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/284032/cristiano_ronaldo_the_movie/

check how a. cole sitting. Remember WC2006. I had a good game in the world stage! By the way enjoy the video

thank you for posting a nice lil video there. Was nice to see some tricks. Nice to see him getting the better of Chimbonda, Fulham, Charlton, a poor Aston Villa at the time and Wigan. That certainly backs up your point!!

Dont suppose you noticed that nearly every single clip they showed never ended with us seeing where the ball actually got to, thus leading me to believe the ball probably never got to its desired target, and was more than likely cleared. I counted 4 assists in that clip

That clip did nothing for your argument.

Yes the clip showed A cole on the floor, but your being ignorant if you think that had any bearing on the battle the two players had. I seem to recal A cole pointing at Ronaldo after he had just tackled him and Ronaldo was lying on the Old Trafford pitch, Cole then simulated to the fans putting Christano in his back pocket.

Youtube clips are not the best ammo for these type of arguments. Cos i could do exactly the same for Kaka and Messi.

Infact i will, here is one clip of Messi scoring a hat trick against real madrid. Arguably the biggest club game in the world against some of the best defenders in the world e.g Cannavaro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHJOmrqeSyA&feature=related

Here is a clip of Messi being chased by at least 3 Chelsea players and being dangerous, proving its not just Ronaldo that faces this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp6ENP9gAs0

Not sure if you have seen this goal by Messi. I know its against gatafe but still. Looks a bit like maradona do you not think?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hokq-7olthE

and here is just a random messi compilation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrcVCj7GQo0

This could go on and on, so no need to come back at me with Ronaldo clips, as i know even my clips do little to prove my point. I was want to discredit your little video you posted.

Benraul:

Proper hatrick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WR42bEs43Y

The hatrick is an absolute joke. World class defenders they might be but the first two goals he's on his own! If he had missed them he would be laught at!

The goal against getafe it looks like maradona at a training match. All getafe players are ball watching and theres no decent chalange on him.

Ronaldo nearly did the same against milwall Fa cup final but Dennis Wise broght him down very hard.

Love the last goal of the hatrick but then again nothing that ronaldo would not be able to do if he was gifted in team mates like messi has at Barca. Surely you dont want to compare the likes of Fletcher;Carrick; Hargreves to Ronaldinho & Co. Get real my friend.

Messi is a fantastic player in the same league as ronaldo and kaka.

I pretende to finish here our heated argument. Both of us are right we just have diferent tastes!

By the way sorry if I gone low about abusing Liverpool.

You are quire correct Sticky - Not all of them are basing it solely on media hype. I stated that a MAJORITY of fans who think he is the best are basing it on Media hype and are getting sucked in. There is a world of difference between those 2 statements - keep up boy.

I don't have any stats. Where can I find them?