Well said.

Shouting abuse about a mentally retarded child is the lowest of the low in my opinion; ten times worse than taking the p1ss out of one's skin colour.

Funny why the worst hostilities come from Anfield..... They are supposed to be the better team on the field so what is the rational for it????? Can't be envy, jealousy or self esteem......

On another note, did anyone else thing the on the field business was more tame than usual? Aside from the crowd.

Been to many Merseyside derbies have we?

Let me just clear up a few things.

Neville wasn't punched. It was a fabrication (as per) based on a nothing incident.

I saw the whole thing from the bottom right hand corner of the Kop.

Neville was getting stick as you would expect and he was getting a bit carried away but holding his temper. Then he took a throw in by a group of fans and backed onto this lads hands. The lad made did push out at him but that was all it was, a reflex reaction after having his hands wedged between neville and the hoardings.

I wolf whistled at the incident because it was no more than handbags.

Then cue Everton's P.R department saying Neville was punched and watch the puppets dance again.

Yakubu wasn't racially abused he was compared to local offender about whom all information can be found here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Aki

Not the nicest thing in the world but not racially motivated. Before someone says it was because aki is black, does that mean because I get called Crouch sometimes for being white and tall that it is racist? It's not a nice thing to say and despite my guilt chuckle the first time I heard it I don't approve of it but what the kop sang to Yakubu was not racist.

I heard absolutely nothing about Carsley or his kids, not one thing all game. I have since spoken to people dotted all around Anfield for this game who heard nothing of the kind either. Make of that what you will.

I felt most sorry for Lescott as he actually turned round (possibly in disbelief) to see what the Kop were chanting about him. "Joleen Lescott, the elephant man". Again anyone would like to tell me what is racist about that then i'm all ears.

It is not classy, it is certainly not what we know as the Liverpool way but you have to understand that the abuse we have not responded to at Goodison has been going on for many a year. We've been provoked by Everton fans. Out of the interest of respect to any good Evertonians I will not name them unless provoked, the only such incident I will touch on to make a point is Steven Gerrard.

Gerrard was hounded at Goodison for years as you would expect, he didn't help himself by flying in their face when he scored. However for the last couple of years he has been subject to chants of "the baby's not yours".

My point is that Everton are laughable for trying to take the high ground and the media jumping all over this and trying to make it out to be big bad Liverpool are as predictable as ever. Not once was the abuse of Steven Gerrard reported in the way a few nasty but none racial songs and the light contact of Neville has been.

Double standards yet again and once again those that believe everything in print lap it up and wait for their next anti scouse meal.

Here is a thought, perhaps the reaction Everton got the other week was down to what we have been getting every visit from and to them since the mid 80's, perhaps it was so newsworthy for Liverpool because it was so uncharacteristic of Liverpool supporters as a whole.

Nah that couldn't be it. Scouse Scum.

Oh and I wonder why this story never made a national newspaper:

Exclusive by Philip Kirkbride, the Skelmersdale Advertiser

I live in Australia and ive read that article, hardly buried by the anti-Liverpool conspiracy.



Why dont you mention the Liverpool fans who once again forged fake tickets en masse and forced their way illegally into the ground and made it unsafe for fans and unavailable for purchasers of real tickets?

So what if you live in Aus did you get if from an English source?

Football fans in fake ticket shock, really? Have you ever actually been to a big european away game in your life (oh wait no you are a Spurs fan from Aus). It happens all the time and as such I thought people were already aware of it.

Oh and don't give it the sarcy "conspiracy" [beep!], this countries media has been against Liverpool for a good while now and not just when it comes to football.

Did you happen to see "The Culture Show" and their coverage of "Liverpool 08". They had a manc and a geordie on that basically sat and took the [beep!] out of the city.

Something about smoke and fire doesn't add up when it comes to things being reported about Liverpool.

We are no angels and having been at Athens I know that all too well but not everything is as black and white as the media make it out to be and a bit of Journalism wouldn't go a miss now and then.

A large proportion of Liverpool fans are lowlife pikey scumbags and therefore anything I hear about them stealing tickets off little kids, cramming into stadiums ticketless or shouting obscenities at a player's mentally retarded daughter is just the norm as far as I'm concerned.

From someone who seems to be a lot more clued up that is a very narrow minded comment.

Then again you are a tight jewish [beep!].

Oh look I can do the same as well.

I didn't say all Liverpool fans did I? Just the lowlife pikey scumbag ones. Surely you're not one of them, so why take offence at that?

PS - I'm not Jewish. Although I do have a padlock on my dustbin.

There are too many tossers as with most teams that come from large cities. The point is though that the major incidents that take place are more to do with individuals and then the whole lot of us are tarred as a group because these bellends are too selfish and scummy to think of other people.

I've travelled with Liverpool before and I can tell you that it is nowhere near the kind of numbers that you are trying to make out that are responsible for the stories you all seem to take such pleasure in.

I've seen the urchins and their ilk and they make me sick, I've actually made a point of telling a few of them so which wasn't my smartest ever move and I've also been threatened for not joining in about songs of Munich and such.

The fact remains though I know far more about what goes on than the spoon fed drivel that you people get and I am telling you now that it is well out of order to suggest that Anfield and those that inhabit it on a match day is some sort of dungeon of debauchery where you should fear being robbed, attacked or racially abused.

I am proud to say that as a whole the place is a very tolerant and understanding venue that unfortunately has a few nobheads that are soon put in their place when they start their munich shite at Anfield.

I've seen people hide behind poor policing and the like when things have got nasty but the point is a lot of the time they have got nasty because both sides have wanted it that way. I've seen and been caught up in the false bravado that goes along with "fighting for your club" and not once did it ever make any sense to me. I never once felt like I was "fighting for Liverpool" I was just put in a situation with these people where I had no other choice.

Things are not simply as black and white as they are made out in the paper and as your onslaught showed you are happy and almost expectant of the next sensationalised story that you can throw back in our faces.

No one is sitting here and saying that we are blameless and in some cases we should not try and blame the rest of the world when we were either clearly to blame or at least partly so. At the same time though, I believe you can look at how Michael Shields' story was handled by the media and the fact that people still don't know the facts now and would rather not know as it is a handy stick to beat scousers with.

How ironic the mancs who took such joy in the suffering of Shileds being falsely imprisoned are now pleading for the release of their own who they feel were unjustly treated.

having had the dubious pleasure of visiting anfield i can safely say it is not the freinedly welcoming place you make it out to be.

the back streets and alleyways are littered with scumbags looking to have a row, while they may not actually go to anfield they are just as much a part of your club, crawling out of the woodwork when Liverpool play. you could argue that there is little the club can do but then the counter argument would be that its the capital of unemployment, Liverpool itself that is the problem, not just the footbll team. i myself have also seen and been involved in trouble around Stanley Park also.

the media may focus on Liverpool but its hardly a suprise is it. what other club has the same amounts of incidents in recent years? i know what goes on at football and from my experience Liverpool are two extremes, there are the good natured Liverpool fans that are up for a laugh but for every one of those there is another that is a complete scumbag who would rob his own nan for an extra fiver in his lacoste tracksuit pocket.

They focus on us as they have since the 80's and probably always will. The good thing about us consistently being in Europe thesedays is that the Europeans who don't bother to read the English media know that Liverpool fan's are not this group they are perceived to be at all and they know us as the friendly well meaning fans (in general) that we are.

Like I said there will always be incidents but when the papers are just waiting with anticaption for any anti Liverpool related story then we will always be made out worse than we actually are. Of course if these dickheads stopped giving the city a bad name in the first place there would be nothing to report but that doesn't change the fact the media live to bad mouth us and have since the 80's.

Can I ask when the last time you had the "dubious" pleasure of visting Anfield was?

the start of last season.

Would you accept that Liverpool has more than its fair share of trouble concerning its supporters?

Yes but no more than any other club from a big city really. Certainly not as many as is made out.

See that's where I disagree with you.

I don't hear much about Tottenham, Arsenal, Chelsea or Man Utd fans when they play abroad. Maybe Man Utd more than the london based sides we'd hear about e.g. the Roma and Lille games, but not to the level we hear about Liverpool fans. They've got history.

Even with the Hillborough disaster they were not blameless by any means, don't forget.

I can't deny how you see it as obviously I can't view it from your eyes but really I never see anything kick off round by Anfield other than when the obvious come to town and want a scrap and that is usually reserved for further down the road from Anfield.

It isn't the best advert for the city round by the stadium. The alleys (most of which are now closed off in Liverpool), the bordered up houses. There are a fair few scalls around but more than most are harmless.

Liverpool is as I say like most major cities, there is good and bad everywhere. The problem comes when the bad is sensationalised to be worse than it is and the good is quickly overlooked.

I read a match report about the Derby the other day that made out we weren't cultured enough. It's the Derby for [beep!] sake, culture doesn't just come down to champagne and caviar you snooty gobshites. What did they expect? I then read yesterday a piece that put down the working class people who dared to show up at the National. Far be it from them to enjoy an occassion that brings people from around the world to THEIR city to celebrate OUR culture. The greatest horse race in the world (despite Sheik Mo's billions) and they still would rather turn it into a pop at Liverpool. Well they can turn their noses up all they want, Racing may be the sport of kings but the National will always have a place for the people of Liverpool and I was glad to see the even organisers stress this point. If they don't like the National then feel free not to come next year, we won't miss you.

Getting back to the Derby though, so what if there were chants about players that were not repsectable. You show me a premiership ground where you don't hear an insult about the opposition and their players.

If we are in the wrong then believe me I will be the first to admit it but it seems all too easy these days to try and segregate Liverpool and their supporters from the rest of the league and fire shots at them. The worst part of all is, they know the power they have when they write these stories and they do so anyway. Ill informed and irresponsible journalism should not be lauded just because it has a pop at Liverpool!

Well said m8! But don't think you can sway wtebar anyways..... He is blinded by faith!