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You make horrible generalisations Specnur. Your use of "you", i mean. I suppose "we" are a single unified mind...?

 
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I think he's been better than all of the strikers at the top 4 teams in this country, other than Torres. Not bad for someone who ''isn't good enough for Arsenal''...



Typical biased comment from a POOL supporter Laughing Laughing


And why is that? Isn't goal scoring the job of strikers? They are the two highest scoring strikers so what Sticky is saying is legit.


OK.....Ronaldo is a striker and has scored more than both Torres and Adebeyor. Add to that - Rooney, Saha and Tevez are all better than Torres and Adebeyor, and are all strikers. That's why it was a typical biased comment from a POOL supporter. Plus, I'm sure there are plenty of Chelsea fans on here who would argue Drogba and Anelka are better than Torres and Adebeyor.


Fair enough, but I was under the impression that Ronaldo plays mostly on the wings. My mistake then.


No such position as a winger theses days. Ronaldo plays as a second striker behind Rooney when United play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. United's attacking play is SOOOOOOO fluid that I'm not suprised opposition players and their fans get confused about their position on the pitch Very Happy


You guy's make me laugh.One of you guy's the other day was giving Ronaldo credit for scoring so many goals in the midfield role,and when i brought the fact that he has no assists in the Champions League ,they now claim him to be a striker!


Whoever it was.....it wasn't me Wink United's attack is so fluid with midfield/strikers continually swapping between a midfield and a striking role, but you will find that Ronaldo's starting position fluctuates between right midfield and second striker in a 4-4-2 formation, and even when his starting position is right midfield, you will see Ronaldo continually swap position throughout a game, left midfield, right midfield, second striker, striker Very Happy

 
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I think he's been better than all of the strikers at the top 4 teams in this country, other than Torres. Not bad for someone who ''isn't good enough for Arsenal''...



Typical biased comment from a POOL supporter Laughing Laughing


And why is that? Isn't goal scoring the job of strikers? They are the two highest scoring strikers so what Sticky is saying is legit.


OK.....Ronaldo is a striker and has scored more than both Torres and Adebeyor. Add to that - Rooney, Saha and Tevez are all better than Torres and Adebeyor, and are all strikers. That's why it was a typical biased comment from a POOL supporter. Plus, I'm sure there are plenty of Chelsea fans on here who would argue Drogba and Anelka are better than Torres and Adebeyor.


Fair enough, but I was under the impression that Ronaldo plays mostly on the wings. My mistake then.


No such position as a winger theses days. Ronaldo plays as a second striker behind Rooney when United play 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1. United's attacking play is SOOOOOOO fluid that I'm not suprised opposition players and their fans get confused about their position on the pitch Very Happy


You guy's make me laugh.One of you guy's the other day was giving Ronaldo credit for scoring so many goals in the midfield role,and when i brought the fact that he has no assists in the Champions League ,they now claim him to be a striker!


is it me? Laughing my bad.. Laughing

ronaldo's supposed to be a midfielder.. but then.. in some matches.. when fergie plays jisung in his position.. he's always put in the position of a striker along with either Rooney and tevez.. and there's nothing wrong with that.. or is there?.. Confused

well.. maybe he's going to be a striker for next season.. since we've already got plenty of midfielders Razz

 
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first of my i just say there is some fantastic discussion going on in here which is a rare treat on this forum of late. well done and keep it up all involved.

i would like to add my two pence worth on the discussion occuring between CFCBhoy and The Axe Man regarding Adebayor.

i have made my feelings on adebayor quite clear in the past and i most certainly stick by what i have said. Adebayor is a good striker. no more, no less. he is typical of an african footballer. appears great one minute and pathetic the next. a club like Arsenal have had some fantastic players and should look to keep up that standard. is Adebayor a top striker? no he is not. Arsenal's sights should be higher than a player like adebayor. i take your views with a pinch of salt Axe after the constant appraisals of everyone in an Arsenal shirt that Wenger backs such as the infamous Aliadiere which has proven to be laughable, by the same token Mr Wenger gets the same treatment and i prefer to use my own judgement than blindly follow anybody else who is just as capable of mistakes of the rest of us. its also a huge shock to see Henry arselick his afavourite gay dance partner isnt it.

adebayor has indeed scored a few goals this season, of varying styles and against varying clubs. so did John Hartson when he played for West Ham. he was among the top goalscorers of the league also.

i ask you this, would adebayor grace the first 11 of your european rivals? i highly doubt it. and this is the point. technically he is very clumsy and appears to be quite poor at basic things such as composure, control, touch etc.

now his little run of form is long gone we see the same player we saw last season. a good player who was punching above his weight.


You've won me over mate - Ashton is definitely better Laughing Wink

Seriously though I rate Adebayor highly and if Berbs does leave us at the end of the season I wouldn't mind at all if we had Adebayor cross the North London divide to fill the void (I know it won't happen!).

When he missed that sitter against Liverpool my first thoughts were what you and CFCBhoy were thinking about it! But a good striker is always ready for the next chance and in fairness he took his goal well following Walcott's sensational dribble. I thought he did quite well over the two legs - he certainly did more than what Torres did, that's for sure. Talking of the Spaniard, I've seen him miss some decent chances too like the one on one against Inter at home and the header against Man Utd, but no one bats an eyelid at those. Note: please don't turn this into a Torres v Adebayor debate.

At the end of the day he's scored 3 goals in 4 games against both finalists from last season's Champions' League. That's not a bad record at all for a striker. Bear in mind it's his first full season - the guy will get even better.

 
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first of my i just say there is some fantastic discussion going on in here which is a rare treat on this forum of late. well done and keep it up all involved.

i would like to add my two pence worth on the discussion occuring between CFCBhoy and The Axe Man regarding Adebayor.

i have made my feelings on adebayor quite clear in the past and i most certainly stick by what i have said. Adebayor is a good striker. no more, no less. he is typical of an african footballer. appears great one minute and pathetic the next. a club like Arsenal have had some fantastic players and should look to keep up that standard. is Adebayor a top striker? no he is not. Arsenal's sights should be higher than a player like adebayor. i take your views with a pinch of salt Axe after the constant appraisals of everyone in an Arsenal shirt that Wenger backs such as the infamous Aliadiere which has proven to be laughable, by the same token Mr Wenger gets the same treatment and i prefer to use my own judgement than blindly follow anybody else who is just as capable of mistakes of the rest of us. its also a huge shock to see Henry arselick his afavourite gay dance partner isnt it.

adebayor has indeed scored a few goals this season, of varying styles and against varying clubs. so did John Hartson when he played for West Ham. he was among the top goalscorers of the league also.

i ask you this, would adebayor grace the first 11 of your european rivals? i highly doubt it. and this is the point. technically he is very clumsy and appears to be quite poor at basic things such as composure, control, touch etc.

now his little run of form is long gone we see the same player we saw last season. a good player who was punching above his weight.


You've won me over mate - Ashton is definitely better Laughing Wink

Seriously though I rate Adebayor highly and if Berbs does leave us at the end of the season I wouldn't mind at all if we had Adebayor cross the North London divide to fill the void (I know it won't happen!).

When he missed that sitter against Liverpool my first thoughts were what you and CFCBhoy were thinking about it! But a good striker is always ready for the next chance and in fairness he took his goal well following Walcott's sensational dribble. I thought he did quite well over the two legs - he certainly did more than what Torres did, that's for sure. Talking of the Spaniard, I've seen him miss some decent chances too like the one on one against Inter at home and the header against Man Utd, but no one bats an eyelid at those. Note: please don't turn this into a Torres v Adebayor debate.

At the end of the day he's scored 3 goals in 4 games against both finalists from last season's Champions' League. That's not a bad record at all for a striker. Bear in mind it's his first full season - the guy will get even better.


Laughing Laughing

would you prefer to have Berbs or Adebayor?

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Of course I'd say Berbatov because he plays for us and he's done it for us. But comparing them would be a close call for different reasons. Both can score sensational goals and both can miss sitters. Berbs has more skill and verve but Adebayor has more strength and power.

But I know that you don't rate Berbatov that highly either - I remember you giving it out to many a Yiddo when they were creaming their pants over him last season, and when he struggled during the first part of this you had that "I told you he wasn't that good" air about you! Wink

 
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i have criticised berbatovs attitude and apparant lack of fight sure. i have never said anything bad about his natural ability.

i dont just rate adebayor as being among europes top strikers which is what Arsenal should be looking at to run their front line

 
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That's fair enough but if Arsenal are looking for a scapegoat for their midweek loss they should point more towards Eboue and Senderos than at Adebayor. He hasn't done much wrong.

Surely no one can criticise Adebayor for his league performances this season? Quite simply, Arsenal have not missed Thierry Henry.

Who do you think Arsenal should be looking for up front then?

 
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oh no dont get me wrong. i have not said he is to blame for the defeat or anything of the sort. in my opinion that lays squarely on the shoulders of Senderos and Wenger for sticking with the bloke through sheer stubborness i can only assume.

he had a good run of form sure, but overall its just the usual african players up and down season.

to be honest i dont know who they should be looking for. im not up with the european market and whos about. however what i do know is that there are much better players around than adebayor.

 
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Roonanialdo, but comment was not biased at all. I was talking about THIS season, and that's why Drogba wasn't mention ahead of them Obviously i accept he's better than Torres. I don't think Torres is better than the strikers mentioned because i'm a Liverpool fan. I think most would accept that Torres is now better after the huge improvement he has made to his game.

Ronaldo isn't a striker, Saha and van Persie are always injured, Anelka, Tevez, Rooney, and Adebayor are all good, but in my opinion not as good. Although i think there's a lot more to come from Tevez. He has not shown us anywhere near his best at Man U in my opinion.

 
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to be honest i dont know who they should be looking for. im not up with the european market and whos about. however what i do know is that there are much better players around than adebayor.


Adriano should be available. However he comes with some baggage; but could come for pretty cheap and if he leaves his baggage at the airport, could be a great acquisition.

Lukas Podolski is another player that could be on the move. He's not happy at Bayern Munich at the moment with the lack of first team opportunities. He was already rumored with Manchester City over the January transfer period. I feel that he would fit in well with the style that Arsenal play. The wild card here will be Jurgen Klinsmann taking over next year for Bayern Munich.

Also if Sevilla don't grab a top 4 finish in La Liga and a spot in the CL, the word is they'll be selling a few players. That would possibly mean that Luis Fabiano and/or Frederic Kanoute could be on the market (prefer Fabiano).

 
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I think you're shooting the wrong fella here matey. As far as i'm aware, i didn't even comment on whether the incident was a penalty or not. These are the posts i made in that thread of the first leg:


You're right, it was Wtebar that said it. Got you two mixed up. My apologies.

 
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Roonanialdo, but comment was not biased at all. I was talking about THIS season, and that's why Drogba wasn't mention ahead of them Obviously i accept he's better than Torres. I don't think Torres is better than the strikers mentioned because i'm a Liverpool fan. I think most would accept that Torres is now better after the huge improvement he has made to his game.

Ronaldo isn't a striker, Saha and van Persie are always injured, Anelka, Tevez, Rooney, and Adebayor are all good, but in my opinion not as good. Although i think there's a lot more to come from Tevez. He has not shown us anywhere near his best at Man U in my opinion.


If you believe you are not being biased towards your team (Liverpool) then you are deluding yourself Sticky, we are ALL biased towards our own teams on this forum, and if you weren't actually a Liverpool supporter then your comment may not THEN have been seen as being biased, but other than that, all you are saying is 'I think the players in MY team are better than the players in YOUR team' Wink when results show that they are NOT.

 
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to be honest i dont know who they should be looking for. im not up with the european market and whos about. however what i do know is that there are much better players around than adebayor.


Adriano should be available. However he comes with some baggage; but could come for pretty cheap and if he leaves his baggage at the airport, could be a great acquisition.

Lukas Podolski is another player that could be on the move. He's not happy at Bayern Munich at the moment with the lack of first team opportunities. He was already rumored with Manchester City over the January transfer period. I feel that he would fit in well with the style that Arsenal play. The wild card here will be Jurgen Klinsmann taking over next year for Bayern Munich.

Also if Sevilla don't grab a top 4 finish in La Liga and a spot in the CL, the word is they'll be selling a few players. That would possibly mean that Luis Fabiano and/or Frederic Kanoute could be on the market (prefer Fabiano).


There's a lot of talk about that Benzema at Lyon too.

 
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No, that's b*llocks. I don't even particularly like Torres. I like Tevez and Drogba more. I'm not saying he's better than them because he plays for Liverpool or because i like him more (because i don't). I'm not even saying he's better - he's not, The Drog is superior. He has however been better this season. If Drogba had not have been injured and away at the African Cup of Nations then he probably would've been better than Torres this season, but that's not how it turned out.

 
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There's a lot of talk about that Benzema at Lyon too.


Benzema signed a new deal with Lyon in March that ties him to the club till 2013. Improved terms and a big-money release clause are understood to have been the focal point of his new contract. But the fact that he just recently signed it, tells me that he's off the market this summer. Unless someone comes in with some stupid amount of money for him that Lyon just can't say no to (which I doubt).

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