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Frankly, no. You're basing your ENTIRE opinion of Drogba on ONE successful season. And it just so happens that it's the same season that Eto'o was out for most games because of injury.

 
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This is crazy you cant compare them.

 
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Frankly, no. You're basing your ENTIRE opinion of Drogba on ONE successful season. And it just so happens that it's the same season that Eto'o was out for most games because of injury.


No, i'm not. Last season was obviously Drogba's best, so i'm obviously going to refer to that season most of the time. But let's not forget about his Marseille days. He did score over 30 goals in a season there as well you know? And so far this season, when he has played he has been impressive. Cementing my opinion of his attributes we've already discussed. Maybe if this season his finishing looked a lot poorer, and he appeared less composed in front of goal i would have to revise my opinion of some of his attributes. But that hasn't been the case.

Oh and Tdv, shut up. Forget reputations, look at them at their best. To completely dismiss one like there is no comparison is bloody idiotic.

 
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Are you one of Drog's droogs?

Sticky, you can't really compare playing in Spain with playing in France and you know it.

So, what i said still stands. You are comparing a player that has had ONE great season (in which he won nothing important) with one that has had at least 2 and has won tons of stuff. And i say that as a fan of Drogba.

 
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You an i both know the trophies a team wins means nothing, and should not even come into it. If you wanted though, we could talk about the other trophies Drogba has won in previous seasons. Like the premier league.

The French league may not be the best in the world, but it certainly isn't a muppit league, and when Drogba was playing there it wasn't completely dominated by Lyon. Back then PSG were quite good, Monoco were good, and so were Marseille and Lyon. There is no way you can ignore his best season in France. That's like saying Malouda isn't Chelsea quality, because he came from France and therefore hasn't had any good seasons to warrant such a move. It's a similar standard to the German league, so let's disregard Diego's last season because it wasn't in one of the top 3 leagues. What a load sh*t!

Drogba has had more than 1 good season and you know it!

Maybe the fact he scored the winning goal against your team in the FA cup final, and scored twice against your other team in last seasons Champions League angered you somewhat, so you are limiting the praise you give him. I don't know.

 
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Had Eto'o stayed fit and had a 3rd consecutive good season i'm pretty sure we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

As i said, the fact he has been away for a while is blurring your memory and clouding your judgement.

Drogba is great, but Eto'o is slightly better. Accept it.

 
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When fit, Eto'o is better than Drogba.


I disagree.

Drogba last season was better than Eto'o has ever been. And if you go by their individual attributes, Drogba wins hands down. He has pace, strength, height, balance (when he wants it Razz ), composure, heading ability, and the ability to score from distance. Eto'o doesn't have half of the attributes i just listed.

Etoo has that ability too. I reckon Etoo scored a stunner in the Confederation Cup in France, don't remember against which team tough.
I agree with you in some parts though. People saying that Drogba was only good for one season, don't obviously know a lot about him. In his first season in the premiership, he had the more assists than everyone in the league, but Lampard took all the credits and he got the stick. For me, he is the key player in their 2 consecutive premiership championships despite not scoring a lot. In his 3rd season, he stated that he will be a little selfish and the outcome is Best scorer in the premiership.
Nevertheless, I still think Eto'o is better than him. He only exceeds Etoo in terms of personality. If Etoo was fit last year, we would have won our 3rd consecutive trophy.

But judging from the actual circumstances( Etoo being injured, Drogba single carrying Chelsea ), Drogba deserves to be classed as the best.

 
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People saying that Drogba was only good for one season, don't obviously know a lot about him.

I do, actually, but thanks for trying to invalidate my opinion like that. It's a matter of fact that the Spanish League is better than the French, so the level of competition Eto'o has had to play against is higher. Hence, the basis of my comparison. Sorry if you don't like it.

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But judging from the actual circumstances( Etoo being injured, Drogba single carrying Chelsea ), Drogba deserves to be classed as the best.

Obviously, it's pointless to compare an injured player and a healthy one as they are. The comparison is based on their recent form when both were healthy.

As for Drogba single-carrying Chelsea, i'd say that shows how much you know about Chelsea. Sure, they're having problems, but to say that Drogba is carrying them is as insightful as someone last season saying that Ronaldo was single-carrying ManU.

Being a team's top performer and single-carrying them are two different things.



Since you do consider Eto'o to be better than Drogba (that's what your post says) overall i'd suggest you stopped feeding Sticky's paranoid delusions. You're doing him more harn than good.

 
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People saying that Drogba was only good for one season, don't obviously know a lot about him.

I do, actually, but thanks for trying to invalidate my opinion like that. It's a matter of fact that the Spanish League is better than the French, so the level of competition Eto'o has had to play against is higher. Hence, the basis of my comparison. Sorry if you don't like it.

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But judging from the actual circumstances( Etoo being injured, Drogba single carrying Chelsea ), Drogba deserves to be classed as the best.

Obviously, it's pointless to compare an injured player and a healthy one as they are. The comparison is based on their recent form when both were healthy.

As for Drogba single-carrying Chelsea, i'd say that shows how much you know about Chelsea. Sure, they're having problems, but to say that Drogba is carrying them is as insightful as someone last season saying that Ronaldo was single-carrying ManU.

Being a team's top performer and single-carrying them are two different things.



Since you do consider Eto'o to be better than Drogba (that's what your post says) overall i'd suggest you stopped feeding Sticky's paranoid delusions. You're doing him more harn than good.

Sorry marios, it was not in my intentions to put you in a bad posture. I just wanted not to be biased in my opinions. But it doesn't change the fact we are in the same camp.
Eto'o is better than Drogba, no doubt about that.
Nevertheless, Drogba deserves praises too. Maybe the word "single-carrying" is a bit out of proportion, but imagine Chelsea without Drogba last season. And notice how Chelsea starts winning again when Drogba is back, after such a bad start.

 
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And notice how Barca always has problems when Eto'o is injured or not fully-fit.

And to be clear, i praised Drogba enough in this thread. I said 2-3 times that he is "great", but i consider Eto'o to be "slightly-better". It's not like i'm calling Drogba a bad player.

As for Drogba's seasons, 2004/05 was average, 2005/06 was a good one and 2006/07 a great one. And before that, he had 2 decent seasons in France, scoring 16 and 19 goals. So he didn't come out of nowhere and in fact when he first came to England i used to get a lot of flack on other boards for insisting he's a good player and that he will be a success in the EPL.

Eto'o had two decent seasons with Mallorca, scoring 14 and 17 goals in La Liga and then had an IMMEDIATE impact at Barcelona, scoring 24 league goals in his first season there and 26 (with 5 assists) in his second. Then he spent his 3rd season mostly injured.

Maybe if Drogba continues to impress this season as much as the last one and Eto'o doesn't manage to make a full comeback, i'll consider them as equals, but until that happens my opinion stays as is.

 
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Etoo is better than Drogba, no arguments about that.
Considering Etoo is young, and Drogba has certainly reached his peak, IMO Etoo will always stay as the best striker.
But we never know what lies ahead Razz

 
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No marios, Drogba wasn't average in his first two prmiership seasons. And i'm not being delusional for thinking Drogba is better. In terms of individual attributes Drogba is without doubt better. He has no weakness, and is almost unstoppable for defenders because he's lethal from all positions. Accept that at least.

Back to his first two Chelsea seasons. Yeah, he didn't set the world on fire, but he wasn't average. You must remember that he was playing up front on his own, and didn't have the support, and the goal scoring opportunites Eto'o had for Barca for obvious reasons. It's no surprise Eto'o scored more than Drogba in 04/05 and 05/06 seasons with the supply they were getting.

Oh and i like the way you failed to mention Drogba scored over 30 goals in a single season when he played in France. Forgetting his UEFA cup goals, eh? Forgetting that game against Newcastle, in which he scored a fantastic solo goal, scored another decent goal, almost scored a stanggering volley, and overal ripped Newcastle to pieces. Even an on fire Woodgate couldn't keep him out (but without Woodgate in that game, Newcastle would've got spanked, and Drogba probably would've scored 4+ goals.

I know Eto'o has a bigger reputation than Drogba, but forget that, and forget who he plays for. Look at them at their very best. I know it's incredibly close, but i would say Drogba pips it, because he is almost unstoppable for defenders. Chelsea rely on him more than Barca rely on Eto'o. Eto'o is easier to deal with for defenders, and close out of games than Eto'o. I would say Drogba strikes fear into teams more than Eto'o, especially the defender who's task it is to mark him.

 
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If what you say is true then why is it that Barca's bad performances last season coincided with Eto'o's absence? Sure, Ronaldinho was not his old self, but imo our biggest problem was by far the absence of a competent striker.

And if Eto'o is so easy for defences then why did he score so many goals from 2004-2006? Are you going to tell me it's because Spain has weak defences? Are you going to turn into that guy?! lol

I just hope he can recover from his injury and make a successful comeback cause even with players like Henry, Messi, Ronaldinho and Giovani in the team i still think we need a healthy Eto'o more than anything.

 
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No marios, Drogba wasn't average in his first two prmiership seasons.


I only called his first season average. 2005/06 was a good year (didn't score much but gave lots of assists and helped his team win titles).

 
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If what you say is true then why is it that Barca's bad performances last season coincided with Eto'o's absence? Sure, Ronaldinho was not his old self, but imo our biggest problem was by far the absence of a competent striker.

And if Eto'o is so easy for defences then why did he score so many goals from 2004-2006? Are you going to tell me it's because Spain has weak defences? Are you going to turn into that guy?! lol

I just hope he can recover from his injury and make a successful comeback cause even with players like Henry, Messi, Ronaldinho and Giovani in the team i still think we need a healthy Eto'o more than anything.


I'm not saying Eto'o is easy for defences, he certainly isn't. He is a fantastic player, but i'm just saying Drogba is more difficult for defences.

And i know Barca really miss Eto'o, Stevie Wonder could see that, but i'm just saying that Drogba is EVEN more important to Chelsea than Eto'o is to Barca. Chelsea really, really struggle for goals without him, whereas Barca just lack that extra cutting edge he brings. I know ultimately the lack of that extra cutting edge lost them the league title last season, but still, they can just about cope in his absence. Chelsea can't.

 
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So, in other words, you're saying Drogba is better because (for whatever reason) Barca has had better forward options these past 2-3 seasons?

If that logic is anything to go by then one could easily claim that someone like Diego Milito is better than both of them. He's been consistently scoring for a while now and also plays for a team that has had to rely on him for scoring, a team that doesn't have the money of Abramovich or Barca to acquire some of the best players in Europe.

Since i remember you saying that Arteta is slightly better than Fabregas then it shouldn't be such a long stretch for you to accept that a player from a smaller team can be better than one who does the same thing for a bigger one.

 
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I think Drogba is better than Eto'o too. He's a more complete player.

 
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So, in other words, you're saying Drogba is better because (for whatever reason) Barca has had better forward options these past 2-3 seasons?

Since i remember you saying that Arteta is slightly better than Fabregas then it shouldn't be such a long stretch for you to accept that a player from a smaller team can be better than one who does the same thing for a bigger one.


No marios, you know that's not what i'm saying. Raul has it, but you chose to highlight that because you knew it would make my argument look ridiculous.


Anyway, what i said about Arteta being better than Fabregas was probably right at the time. Well, i based it on last season, and on last seasons performance, it certainly wasn't illogical to say Arteta was better. Arteta was better the season before as well. But it's clear Fabregas has improved a lot, and i can no longer say Arteta is better. Maybe if Arteta was on fire like Fabregas for at least 15 games, then i would be able to, but it's highly unlikely.

 
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I guess i shouldn't expect Real Madrid fans to acknowledge Eto's superiority. He's your immediate opponent and someone you had previously rejected, to boot. On the other hand, Drogba has been linked with a move to Madrid for a while now so obviously "he's better" in your eyes.

Let's end the discussion here and just agree to disagree.

 
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No way, i'm not l;eaving it at that. The fact i'm a Real fan changes nothing. I don't treat him any differently to Madrid strikers, and i do acknowledge his quality. So much so, he was THE man i most wanted to join Liverpool in the summer. He's better than any striker we have at Real or Liverpool. Raul, Robinho, Torres and Ruud are all quality, but they are no longer at their best in Raul and Ruud's case, or are just not as good as a fit Eto'o. Don't try and make it look like i'm discrediting Eto'o because of my bias. I thought we had a talk about that once before anyway?!

Oh and if i was biased, then surely that would also effect my judgement of Drogba, as they are one of the teams i dislike most in the premiership, and in recent years have had something of a fierce rivalry with Liverpool.

Just so you know Marios, i don't actually dislike Barca. I respect them a lot, what with all the charity stuff, and the way there club is run in a more honourably and respectful way.

I wanted them to spank Chelsea in the Cl btw.

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