what are you on about!!
tevez will never score 30 goals for Man United in one season. he hardly starts a game.
i get on with some Man United fans but theres always a few with their heads up their own ar$e$.

Let me put it this way.Currently there are 9 teams ranked better than them so average would put them t about 50th ,but i think you get my point.
France.italy.argentina.brazil.Germany are all better if Ronaldo shines against them in meaningful games he deserves credit.I heard he played a blinder for portugal against Brazil in the WC,but i didn't see it and i don't think it was a knock out game.The truth is he played in the biggest game of the season against Arsenal today and even his biggest fans would admit he was nowhere near his usual effectiveness.
I don't need to harp on about it ,but it's quite obvious he wouldn't do much in this game take away the penalty and he wouldn't even be in this one relatively speaking.

But you can hear sky say "as united and ronalddo come from behind and beat Arsenal". Very misleading comments imo.

If you are assessing a players importance on goals scored then you would have to Pick ronaldo,but i would like to think we are a bit more sophistacted than that.Tevez a shown his ability with his heroic play for the relegation threatened West Ham. Torres nor ronaldo have done such things and may never have the chance to do so.I think Tevez' role is completely different with United than West Ham so you have to look at what he's doing in a different way.One thing is for sure If Torres is not in scoring he does very little for his team from what i can tell,same for Ronaldo to a degree,but Tevez is a complete team player who works his *ss off all over the field.

Should be Vidic/Ferdinand together, they have been solid as a rock all season.

What have they won? All good getting to semi-finals everytime, but it's the winning that counts Stickaldo. Come on, you should know that, being a Liverpool, Madrid, Inter, Chelsea, Adebayor, Croatia, Man Utd fan and all

I sure wish England reached even one semi final. Wouldn't Scotland be happy just to qualify? I don't think you can criticise that record. Especially for a country which isn't a traditional top team.

Aimed at anyone in particular?

Ronaldo will win both awards

Huh?

Chelsea, Inter, Adebayor, Croatia and Man U? Where the hell did they come from?!

But yeah, Portugal haven't won anything. But their record shows they certainly are one of the best teams in the world.

I think that was the point I was making old chap. Calm down Jacy boy

no, the point you were making was that tevez is better then torres when tevez doesnt even get to start sometimes. i think torres would be ahead of Rooney in any team, but you Man United fans love him. i must say that tevez does score important goals for Man United but hes not in torres's league.

Obviously SAF disagrees with you, preferring to sign Tevez when he also had the option of Torres.

so all of his buys have been amazing players in the past?. i cant say hes not a good manager but he should have signed him over tevez. i didnt think torres would have had the impact he had in his first season, who know what he can do next year....

No, SAF has made some mistakes, probably more than most given the length of time he has been a manager. Torres has been fantastic for Liverpool, there is no doubt about it, he is an out n out striker, whereas both Rooney and Tevez offer a more fluid option up front and in support of midfield.

Damn......I find myself agreeing with specnur

well i dont. why we talking about what tevez done for westham, wasnt that last season??tevez was great for westham but the only reason torres and ronaldo wont get that chance is because they are far 2 good for that.
in the few games that torrres hasnt scored he hasnt just stood still for 90mins, he works hard and tries goin down the wing and that. a stricker like torres works hard all game because he can score an important goal out of nothing. like the goal in the CL against Arsenal

I believe he is talking about what Tevez did for West Ham because it gives an indication of what Tevez is capable of doing, where as this season he hasn't had the same opportunties because of limited appearances due to competition for places. Torres has no competition at Liverpool, and he definitely doesn't offer as much variation to team play as do Ronaldo, Tevez and Rooney. I agree he works hard for the team.

You until just now when I realised you're Irish not Scottish. It still stands though just with Ireland instead of Scotland.

Well Torres offers a real aerial threat, whereas Rooney and Tevez offer almost no threat in the air at all.

Torres is a good header of the ball.....no doubt about it, but both Rooney and Tevez have scored recently with headers.