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Ron for both.
Although it would be nice to see Torres getting an award.

Who votes in this?
Just thinking if he took the [beep!] too many times out of defenders, then they might not vote for him. Just out of spite. Laughing

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Obviously SAF disagrees with you, preferring to sign Tevez when he also had the option of Torres.


And who fed that load of shite to you?

Deluded doesn't even come close. United have been tracking Torres for years and Ferguson has been a massive admirer enquiring on more than a few occassions.

Tevez? Do me a favour. He's been a good squad player for United. Torres has been the best player this Season for us and the best Striker in the League this year BAR NONE.

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About 2 years ago at school my friend was talking about Man U signing Torres. He showed me something on the Man U website about it (THE OFFICIAL Manchester United WEBSITE). I can't remember exactly what it said, but it was clear they were admirers of him, and were trying to sign him. I seem to remember him or it saying they were signing him, so they must've made an offer. But we already know that anyway. They made more than one offer.

I remember the photo of him clearly. He was bald, and looked as chavy as you can get.

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Wtebar wrote:
Roonanialdo wrote:


Obviously SAF disagrees with you, preferring to sign Tevez when he also had the option of Torres.


And who fed that load of shite to you?

Deluded doesn't even come close. United have been tracking Torres for years and Ferguson has been a massive admirer enquiring on more than a few occassions.

Tevez? Do me a favour. He's been a good squad player for United. Torres has been the best player this Season for us and the best Striker in the League this year BAR NONE.


Relax. He's just on the wind-up.

Anyway, Fergie admitted this season that he tried signing him but every time he went to enquire Torres was either unsure, wanting to stay another season with Atletico, or signing a new contract so he eventually gave up. They wanted him. And thank [beep!] they didn't get him, they'd be unstoppable (assuming they disposed of Wes Brown).

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Wtebar wrote:
Roonanialdo wrote:


Obviously SAF disagrees with you, preferring to sign Tevez when he also had the option of Torres.


And who fed that load of shite to you?

Deluded doesn't even come close. United have been tracking Torres for years and Ferguson has been a massive admirer enquiring on more than a few occassions.

Tevez? Do me a favour. He's been a good squad player for United. Torres has been the best player this Season for us and the best Striker in the League this year BAR NONE.


It came from the mouth of SAF my friend. Errrrrr....SAF isn't my friend....I was referring to you Very Happy

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They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.

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They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


I agree but I just like to wind up my little scouse friends on here Wink

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They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


1. That tells its own story.

2. It wasn't when he first got here and he was still banging them in.

3. You have point but either way Torres is the better player.

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Roonanialdo wrote:
Wtebar wrote:
Roonanialdo wrote:


Obviously SAF disagrees with you, preferring to sign Tevez when he also had the option of Torres.


And who fed that load of shite to you?

Deluded doesn't even come close. United have been tracking Torres for years and Ferguson has been a massive admirer enquiring on more than a few occassions.

Tevez? Do me a favour. He's been a good squad player for United. Torres has been the best player this Season for us and the best Striker in the League this year BAR NONE.


It came from the mouth of SAF my friend. Errrrrr....SAF isn't my friend....I was referring to you Very Happy


Not like old purplenose would ever change his mind once the decision was out of his hands.

Funny that Ferguson thinks he had the choice because Torres only ever had one team in mind as he has said on a number of occassions. Smile

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Wtebar wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


1. That tells its own story.

2. It wasn't when he first got here and he was still banging them in.

3. You have point but either way Torres is the better player.


1.Correct......the story is that Liverpool have a far weaker squad and Torres would get less games playing for United.

2.Agreed......Torres has done brilliant.

3.If you agree he has a point then you are contradicting yourself by saying Torres is better.

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How is Tevez a better all-round STRIKER than Torres, when in the air he offers barely half the threat Torres does, and his finishing is in a different league (well below - he misses glaring chances).


I do like Tevez more than Torres, but i don't agree with what you said. Imagine if we played Tevez up front on his own in our formation!

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How is Tevez a better all-round STRIKER than Torres, when in the air he offers barely half the threat Torres does, and his finishing is in a different league (well below - he misses glaring chances).


I do like Tevez more than Torres, but i don't agree with what you said. Imagine if we played Tevez up front on his own in our formation!


I think we all agree Sticky. It's difficult to really compare the two players fairly. Torres goal record this season speaks for itself, and so does Tevez contribution to team play and in scoring important goals from the bench. Tevez has admitted earlier in the season that he felt tired and in need of a rest, probably because of his exploits last season with West Ham and his involvement in last Summers international tournament in S America. They are BOTH fantastic players in my opinion and I would be happy with either or both in my squad.

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They have, but both are still sh*t with their head.


I wouldn't put it quite like that Sticky, but I agree that Torres is probably better, however your original statement that 'they are no threat' with their heads is obviously NOT correct. Don't you agree?


Well obviously everyone can pose a threat with their head, but i think both are poor in the air. Tevez has done quite well recently, and isn't the worst in the world when it comes to heading, but he is too small. Rooney is also small, and isn't much use with his head. So no, i wouldn't say they pose much of a threat in the air.


Tevez scores again with his head Sticky. No threat huh..... Wink

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Wtebar wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


1. That tells its own story.

2. It wasn't when he first got here and he was still banging them in.

3. You have point but either way Torres is the better player.


1. The story being that Man Utd have a much better squad. Tevez would walk into Liverpool's team. I agree Torres has been the second best players in the EPL this season but Tevez hasn't had a fair chance and he is a player of some pedigree.

2. They still played with him as the focus of almost all Liverpool attacks, even if they hadn't adapted the formation yet.

3. Torres is a better goalscorer obviously but Tevez is a better passer, more creative and probably a more intelligent player. Check out some videos from him at Corinthians.

This comparison is like comparing Vieira and Zidane. Two very different players both of whom play in the same broad position (as in midfield) but who have totally different skills and play different roles in a team.

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fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


Wrong. A player such as van Nistelrooij exists solely to score goals. Torres isn't a poacher; and you'll often see him running either wing, displaying a lot of movement, as well as leading the line.

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Ben91 wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


Wrong. A player such as van Nistelrooij exists solely to score goals. Torres isn't a poacher; and you'll often see him running either wing, displaying a lot of movement, as well as leading the line.


Come on Ben, you are just playing with words now, no way does Torres contribute to open play in the way that Tevez does. Torres is a striker and his main function is putting the ball in the net, whether you want to call it striker, poacher, goal hanger or otherwise, in exactly the same vein as RVN.

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Roonanialdo wrote:
Wtebar wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


1. That tells its own story.

2. It wasn't when he first got here and he was still banging them in.

3. You have point but either way Torres is the better player.


1.Correct......the story is that Liverpool have a far weaker squad and Torres would get less games playing for United.

2.Agreed......Torres has done brilliant.

3.If you agree he has a point then you are contradicting yourself by saying Torres is better.


1. Keep telling yourself that. Rolling Eyes

3. No I'm not. Learn English if you wish to pull me up on mine.

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Wrong. A player such as van Nistelrooij exists solely to score goals. Torres isn't a poacher; and you'll often see him running either wing, displaying a lot of movement, as well as leading the line.


He plays through the centre on the last defender all match. He has 2 assists all season. He is there to score goals and nothing more. He might not poach but not all forwards do. Eto'o doesn't poach but he only on the pitch for one reason.

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Wtebar wrote:
Roonanialdo wrote:
Wtebar wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


1. That tells its own story.

2. It wasn't when he first got here and he was still banging them in.

3. You have point but either way Torres is the better player.


1.Correct......the story is that Liverpool have a far weaker squad and Torres would get less games playing for United.

2.Agreed......Torres has done brilliant.

3.If you agree he has a point then you are contradicting yourself by saying Torres is better.


1. Keep telling yourself that. Rolling Eyes

3. No I'm not. Learn English if you wish to pull me up on mine.


You agree he has a point that they are different types of players and can't fairly be compared. Then you say 'but Torres is better'. That is a contradiction my friend. I think you're the one that needs a little lesson in English Rolling Eyes

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1. Keep telling yourself that. Rolling Eyes


There's no need to have childish bias 100% of the time. It is painstakingly obvious that Man Utd have a stronger squad than Liverpool.

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Roonanialdo wrote:
Ben91 wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


Wrong. A player such as van Nistelrooij exists solely to score goals. Torres isn't a poacher; and you'll often see him running either wing, displaying a lot of movement, as well as leading the line.


Come on Ben, you are just playing with words now, no way does Torres contribute to open play in the way that Tevez does. Torres is a striker and his main function is putting the ball in the net, whether you want to call it striker, poacher, goal hanger or otherwise, in exactly the same vein as RVN.


"RVN" was a poacher, sitting in the penalty area. Torres doesn't do that. They're not the same.

How many of Torres' goals have been tap-ins?

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Ben91 wrote:
Roonanialdo wrote:
Ben91 wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
They are not comparable for three reasons.

1. Torres has played a lot more this season

2. The team is built to Torres's strength and for him to be the focal point.

3. They are different players. Tevez is a better all around player, he is a supporting striker not primarily a goal scorer. Torres exists solely to score goals.


Wrong. A player such as van Nistelrooij exists solely to score goals. Torres isn't a poacher; and you'll often see him running either wing, displaying a lot of movement, as well as leading the line.


Come on Ben, you are just playing with words now, no way does Torres contribute to open play in the way that Tevez does. Torres is a striker and his main function is putting the ball in the net, whether you want to call it striker, poacher, goal hanger or otherwise, in exactly the same vein as RVN.


"RVN" was a poacher, sitting in the penalty area. Torres doesn't do that. They're not the same.

How many of Torres' goals have been tap-ins?


I don't know the answer to that......but I guess your point is that Torres contributes to open play more than RVN.....who you believe just hangs around the box putting the ball in the net. RVN would probably give you an argument on that one.......and I find it difficult to disprove what you say is true or untrue.

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fakeplastictrees wrote:
Wtebar wrote:

1. Keep telling yourself that. Rolling Eyes


There's no need to have childish bias 100% of the time. It is painstakingly obvious that Man Utd have a stronger squad than Liverpool.


Saha walked into United's first team but Torres wouldn't...