Manager of the year in Barclays Premier League from Football.co.uk

Flipper · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:05 am

Del Piero 10 wrote:

Guys guys take it easy, it's obvious that Avramt Grant is going to win the manager of the season win he wins the double.

err.. we Man Utd shall try our best not to let that happen..

conner99 · Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 11:32 am

i understand what Sticky T is saying ...the award should go to a manager who has performed superbly well throughtout the season and achieved a level of success that is relative to the clubs status and expectation .

So Man Utd winning the Premier League and losing the Champions League final to Chelsea would be a fantastic year for Sir Alex ..

Chelsea winning the Champions League and finishing runners up to Man Utd in the league and Tottenham in the Carling Cup final ....would that be a better achievement for Avram Grant

or is this all expected and so no longer as good to win it

if Harry Redknapp wins the FA CUP with Portsmouth and finishes 6th or 7th in the league ...is that a greater achievement for a manager considering the status of the club and funds available

hard one .....

specnur · Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 12:48 am

4Everton wrote:

specnur wrote:

4Everton wrote:

Sticky T wrote:

So half the forum is clueless?

Wenger overachieved for the majority of the season, and nearly did what was thought to be impossible.

Yes, it was only NEARLY, but still, that's a greater achievement than doing what is expected - which is the case with Fergie at Man U. It's all about what's relative to the team a manager has - not the trophy at the end. To take that to an extreme - if Derby finished 2nd in the league, they wouldn't have a trophy to show for it, but they would have overachieved HUGELY, which would be a far greater achievement than Man U doing what's expected and filling the trophy cabinet at the end of the season.

Thats bull!

Arsenal has totally under achieved this season! I would say that Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal would be expected to challenge for the same things in past and the current season. Wenger having failed to win a trophy means he has failed and shouldn't even be considered. Those who are actually suggesting otherwise are indeed clueless.......

And those who also keep harping on the excuse that the Arsenal team is too young and inexperienced are ridiculous. Its the managers responsibility to put a team together thus wenger is to blame if this excuse is to be true. Btw, he was quoted to say that he has confidence in 'this team' and they could possibly win the league as well as the CL earlier on. Also, its not if they don't have money to spend!!!!

My candidates:

Fergie - if he wins the league and qualify for the CL final (confirmed if he wins both)!
Grant - for the same reasons above.
Rednapp - if he wins the FA Cup (even better chance if they over achieved and finish 5th)

Ok ,Now answer this question,and answer it honestly. Did you expect Arsenal to be contenders at the start of the season? If yes on what basis? They just lost Henry ,they were getting kicked off the pitch the previous season and they didn't buy any major players.

Yes, they were one of the realistic contenders! Being Arsenal, they are always expected to be. Like I said, wenger was quoted as saying that 'this team' was capable of winning the title as well as going for the CL. So the excuse of a weakened team doesn't hold water! The Arsenal team was not assembled in one season, its the manager's responsibility for a top team to constantly maintain a squad capable of meeting the club's objectives. I can accept the 'one off' season whether the team goes through a settling down or transformation phase. But 3 seasons without a trophy.... Not even making a final of any competition this season. And you realistically think he should be nominated for an award!???

Well, i'll put it this way.Only YOU know what you believed at the start of the season!
You have got my thinking totally wrong ,i was using all those "excuses" as the reason for why the rest of the footballing world never gave Arsenal a shout.Of course it's the amnagers responsibility to maintain a team and for your info i wasn't considering wenger for manager of the year.I was responding to someone downplaying what he had done with so little resources, and what he done was astonishing.

Selling Henry???? Wenger made the decision to sell him, so it back fired.... Whos fault is it then????

It was Henry's decision to leave.Fact.

And you trying to use the 'kick off the pitch' excuse as well makes me wanna laugh! So are you saying they are a team of wusses??? Get real, if you can't take the rough and tumble of the premiership then too bad. But don't use that to cover any shortcoming of the players and manager!

Answered above.
But i'll elaborate.Arsenal were kicked off the park a few games last season ,they were looked at by the majority of Brits as "weak" or "soft" , mainly in an attempt to justify their own lack of techincal ability but that's another story.Wenger turned the team of last season into a team that gave as good as they got this
season which is an amazing transformation ,so wenger need respect for that.

Now answer honestly..... Do you actually think wenger deserves the award (above those managers I put forward) for winning nothing and finishing 3rd in the league??? If you continue to insist so, then this is the last post in response to you about this topic.

Like i if you read my initial post on this subject Wenegr wasn't in my consideration.

There you go, iv'e answered every one of your question in detail which is not commen practice here.Let me know if iv'e missed anything?

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