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It has nothing to do with being a Barcelona, Real Madrid, Roma, Chelsea, Arsenal or a fan of any other team, we all need to be color blind, I don't care how much you dislike a team or an opposing player, there is no excuse for it. I realize it's been going on forever, and I'm probably kidding myself if I think it will go away, but with that said, I will never ever accept it...... Neutral

 
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Afrinux, you didn't say anything that offended me, I said that to oranjepalooza because from my point of view, he suggested that spanish people are racist (I don't wanna reopen the debate I am just explaining it). Two of my best friends are black and I'm very proud of it. The idea of calling me racist really annoys me.

Nina, I'm sorry but I didn't say textually what you wrote, although what I said (and I repeat it if neccesary) is that spitting at others won't help Eto'o and will create more enemies for him. And that's what the 90% of the players in La Liga say too.

 
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Eto'o is probably a prime target from opposing idiots, because Eto'o shows that it hurts him. When Henry recieves racial abuse (e.g. Panathanaikos, CL) he ignores, keeps a smile & answers them with his football and his goals that sends their club down.

 
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Zaragoza was fined €9,000 (US$10,730) Tuesday for racist taunts by supporters at a Spanish league game which forced FC Barcelona forward Samuel Eto'o to try to leave the field.

 
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Zaragoza was fined €9,000 (US$10,730) Tuesday for racist taunts by supporters at a Spanish league game which forced FC Barcelona forward Samuel Eto'o to try to leave the field.


Hmmmm... Is that all?
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Eto'o said he isnt happy at all with it and either am I, that sort of fine is hardly going to stop it happening again. They should have been made to play a game behind closed doors

 
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It is a shame that fans are so silly.
Inter abused Zoro of Messina when they themselves have Adriano, a black player!
Zaragoza have black players so aswell as being racist to eto'o your doing it to your own players aswell.
This really needs to be sorted out otherwise eto'o will leave barca to get away from the abuse.
No disrispect but some fans need to grow up its football and if you cant take it that the other side has an unstoppable striker then stay at home and keep your stupid comments and abuse to yourself!

 
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I disagree. I think it is fair because it would be unfair to close La Romareda for this, after seeing how Barcelona supporters had worse attitudes and they weren't punished. I mean, yeah, this should stop, but if the punish Zaragoza, then punish Barcelona too for throwing pig heads. And if you say this is unfair, then you maybe thinnk Eto'o punishment in the Athletic match was unfair too, no?

And the fact that Zaragoza has three black players, for me proves two things:
1 - They are stupid
2- It could not be racism, simply the first "insult" that came to their mind to try to stop a good striker like Eto'o. Vicente and Pablo Alfaro said this too, and I'm starting to think it has sense.

 
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The worst fanbase is from Espanyol, they not only insult any black players from the rival teams but also insult their own black players! Unbelivable! The ultras in this team are very nazi, like Real's Ultra Sur. At least Barça's president had the balls to erradicate the radical members of Barça's fanbase and they're banned from the club and from entering the Camp Nou for life. I wonder why the rest of clubs don't do the same, the cowards...

 
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I disagree with you on the stadium thing, i think it should have been closed but the second point you made makes sence.
The fans are just trying to insult Eto'o to stop him from playing well. Zaragoza have black players too, Ewerthon is one of their best players. Its still racism though and isnt acceptable at all. The only way to answer it is with football and Eto'o set up Barcas 2nd goal. I cant blame him for wanting to walk off but hopefully players just get on with it and the fans realise it doesnt effect them and stop

 
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But Nina, the Boixos Nois of Barcelona are very radical too, and I don't know if you heard it but they created a terrible fight in Zaragoza the other day after & before the match. Zaraoza supporters said that it's not fair that the media talks very much about the incidents with Eto'o and hardly mentioned this.

Racism is another way of vilence in my opinion, so it is no more and no less than other fights Confused

 
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@Raul... Of course Boixos Nois are no better than Ultra Sur and the rest, that's the faction I was refering to when I said that Barça's president Joan Laporta banned them from the club and the stadium for life. Boixos Nois were the most radical Barça fans who made all the cheering and spectacle, so it was difficult to erradicate them but it has been for the best. I didn't know about the incidents in Zaragoza but of course those people can travel to Zaragoza on their own without the permission of the club. But in Barcelona they have no access into the Camp Nou. Because of that Laporta has been permanenly threaten to death, him and his family. I think he had lots of balls and I admire him for that.

 
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Raul i shall remember u that all Boixos Nois were banned from Nou Camp when Laporta joined the club, so i dont see any sense on your coments.
Respect to chants to Eto'o, u can say whatever u want, if the chants would be to Ronaldo u'd say that he had acted fine, i think this is one of those things that are over ur t-shirt, and dont say its not racism, u know that in the Vicente Calderon a banana was thrown to Kameni, in la romareda kameni also suffered those chants, and Roberto carlos had it in nou camp, riazor and a lot of stadiums, this is a problem of racism, and we have to cut it as soon as possible.
And how to justify not to close La Romareda because Nou Camp didnt? so if an assassin is free by a justice fault, lets make them all free!
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So, now you guess what I would have done if it has been Ronaldo?? No, sorry, you're wrong. I would think the same, as I suffer it in my team with Roberto Carlos (who I remind you, was spitted by Chilavert, while Eto'o was the one who spitted).
And about the Boixos Nois, I clap Laporta's attitude, it was a brave one, but be serious, you know they can go into the stadium over and over hidding their identities.

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I support things like that one in the match of Spain yesterday in Valladolid, with big posters which said "No Racism" and there were no incidents. We were playing against Ivory Coast and we proved that it's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of good players. As you said Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Roberto Carlos, Kameni... always the same people, good players for their teams, such as Webo for Osasuna. All these teams have more black players but they are not humilliated. Why? Because they are good players. (and you may wonder: then, why don't they yell at Ronaldinho, Ronaldo...etc?) Because Eto'o or Roberto Carlos are players that, for any reason, people hate.

 
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And about the Boixos Nois, I clap Laporta's attitude, it was a brave one, but be serious, you know they can go into the stadium over and over hidding their identities


Why do you think you know that? That's not true at all. These guys have police records and are easily identificable, and they would never pay the high prices for a ticket in the Camp Nou, as you may know all ultras get in for free because the sad reality is that their lubs support them! This is common knowledge! Ultra Sur in Madrid are well organized, they have free tickets for all games, they're even paid to do the cheering!

 
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We were playing against Ivory Coast and we proved that it's not a matter of racism, it's a matter of good players. As you said Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Roberto Carlos, Kameni... always the same people, good players for their teams, such as Webo for Osasuna. All these teams have more black players but they are not humilliated. Why? Because they are good players. (and you may wonder: then, why don't they yell at Ronaldinho, Ronaldo...etc?) Because Eto'o or Roberto Carlos are players that, for any reason, people hate.

This would have convinced me, if some english players( Shawn wright Phillips, ...) werent racially abused in Spain. Shawn wright Phillips isnt that good and I dont think people hate him, because he is a modest and polite kid.
Italy and Spain leagues are the only big europeans leagues where this happen.
Italy was a nazi state and everyone remember what the nazis did for being racists. For Italy case I have a clue, because there might still some nazis. The thing I dont know, why Spain?

 
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I was in that match in Bernabeu, and it has an explanation (which won't convince anyone, it's stupid and I'm not supporting it, but anyway):
Some people in Spain were (and still are) annoyed with the british people who say we are racist (specially after that thing with Henry), and that was like an attack. I remember that in the match everyone also yelled at Rooney (He pushed Casillas), and make reference to his big ears. That's another way of violence, but why the hell did he push him?

 
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Why do you think you know that? That's not true at all. These guys have police records and are easily identificable, and they would never pay the high prices for a ticket in the Camp Nou, as you may know all ultras get in for free because the sad reality is that their lubs support them! This is common knowledge! Ultra Sur in Madrid are well organized, they have free tickets for all games, they're even paid to do the cheering!


I bet you have seen the Barcelona - Chelsea match, haven't you??
Then, how do you explain that Mr.Laporta allows those kind of banners that say "Catalonia is not Spain"??? It is simply ashaming that a president who pretends to destroy violence in football, permits this kind of violence and makes such a political pressure. I'm not saying that all the people in Cataluña thinks the same, but it's a prove that some things can't (or maybe don't want to) be controlled in football. It is so obvious that this president tries to make a strong independentist politic in the team, something I don't understand, this is football, not politics!!

 
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I was in that match in Bernabeu, and it has an explanation (which won't convince anyone, it's stupid and I'm not supporting it, but anyway):
Some people in Spain were (and still are) annoyed with the british people who say we are racist (specially after that thing with Henry), and that was like an attack. I remember that in the match everyone also yelled at Rooney (He pushed Casillas), and make reference to his big ears. That's another way of violence, but why the hell did he push him?

Alright, Raul I believe you.

 
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Then, how do you explain that Mr.Laporta allows those kind of banners that say "Catalonia is not Spain"??? It is simply ashaming that a president who pretends to destroy violence in football, permits this kind of violence and makes such a political pressure. I'm not saying that all the people in Cataluña thinks the same, but it's a prove that some things can't (or maybe don't want to) be controlled in football. It is so obvious that this president tries to make a strong independentist politic in the team, something I don't understand, this is football, not politics!!


Uh, now, tough subject... Do you really want to bring this on the forum? Ok, well then. I don't think that banners such as "Catalonia is not Spain" incite violence, c'mon, that's demagogy! Do you believe in freedom of speech, my friend? That is only a banner and it doesn't have anything to do with Boixos Nois, who by the way are mostly fascists like the rest of ultras. And now that we are on the subject, don't make me laugh with the "not bring politics into football" speech when you know better than anyone here that Barça-Madrid has always been about politics. It won't change, ever. Why do you think Barça is called "més que un club" (more than a club)?

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