Roonanialdo, Phil Brown has a much harder job then SAF. Agree?
SAF's squad is currently being talked about as the best Man United team they have ever had. Im sorry but it is a easy job. Ben and Steely have said everything about the fact that it is only this year that counts and not the other 9 times he has won it. Another point which has to be taken into account is the fact that Phil Brown did not have a player like Ronaldo. He had to find players, like campbell, and try to put a team together. You can not compare the jobs, they are so different.
I have to say that Paul Ince has probably done a better job, as he has won the league and a cup. However, i would still stand by my point that Phill Brown has done a better job then SAF when you take into consideration the difficulties he has that SAF hasn't.
And that league table you found is a load of crap!

Ok Jac......all your arguments are valid......but that league table is the LMA's very own for comparing their members performances.

If the managers or whoever wanted to award SAF for getting ten league titles they could have gave him a special award (instead of this one). I just think the way it is done is not fair on the small clubs. As i see it they dont take into consideration the difficulties they face.

maybe a gold plated chewing gum ...

I'm not talking about the 10 as 10 trophies, i'm talking about it as a supposed milestone that's seen as 'superior'.

Would you be saying "oh Fergie deserves the award 'cause it's his 11th title" if he wins his 11th? Like you are for his 10th? No you wouldn't be because '10' is a meaningless landmark figure, like 25, 50 or 100. 11 is not. You're reasoning is based on the fact that Ferguson has reached a milestone.

In the context of a seasons achievement, what basis does this have?

it is hard to tell brown and pulis have had good seasons along with redknapp and grant.....but even though ferguson has had the funds to buy the title you still have to give him credit for the team he has implemented an moulded to win the title....all his sigings have fit in well and he has reached the Champions League final so manager of the year he probaly is.......

sorry cant go with out stating he is a red faced baboon who lives in his own self importance and thrives of the fact that he is untouchable as far as the english fa goes f@ucking c@nt

It is not hard for your signings to fit in when you spend 20million on each of them. Its much harder to find players on a low budget and loan players that fit in well. I do agree with the last part you have said though.

LOL

By the way, what football is considered? I.e. all domestic? Domestic leagues only? Domestic and European?

For me, it seems only fair for it to be based on solely your domestic league, to put everyone on a level playing field.

All domestic.

not quite in those words. i will say its harder for a team to win their respective division than it is for the manager of Manchester United. i think thats fair to say.



no i fully understand your point.

the point i am making was well put forward by Ben it seems. so what if it is his 10th title? does he automatically deserve it again if he wins next year? after all, 11 is more than 10?

the award is supposedly solely for one year. any goings on in seasons prior to that should be irrelevant and all managers on a level playing field, thats how the award is portrayed.

domestic league and cup?

Ince done the domestic double. its some achievement winning the Johnstone's Paint Trophy as a League 2 Club as well as storming the league.

as ever Ben has made some very valid points that remain unanswered regarding the 'milestone' aspect of it.

we have all established that the league thing you published was crap and irrelevant because it cant possibly judge perspective of size of club, expectation and achievement. it only thinks of results at the end of the game which is far too one dimensional if we are judging all 92 clubs in the football league.

out of interest do you think Ferguson could be just as big a success if he were managing Hull City or MK Dons?

Yes it covers domestic knock out competitions and applies a weighting factor on those games for relative leagues.

I'm still contemplating my answer to Ben's point regarding the milestone aspect. maybe he won't get an answer.

You haven't established anything about the managers league table other than give your opinion on it, which may well be a minority opinion for all you or I know.

Sir Alex achieved this same award on one other occasion, when he achieved the treble, another exceptional achievement for a manager. The award is supposed to take into account the resources available to managers, and is the reason Steve Coppell won it twice. SAF's fellow managers have recognized this season that money is just ONE factor in the equation of building a successful team and to maintain that success. In other words, there is more to it than JUST the money available to managers. Chelsea and Liverpool's failures emphasise that point.

Of course SAF can do it managing lesser clubs, he has`already proved that with Aberdeen, winning domestic and European trophies.

in that case it appears even stranger that Ferguson has won the award, particularly ahead of Ince to name but one.

ok i will leave you to contemplate that one!

true. but unless somebody can explain to me that it is just and fair to treat derby beating Man United and Man United beating derby as equal in terms of managerial achievement i will stick to my guns i think

yes, winning the treble is understandable. my memory is somewhat hazy but im fairly sure he was a tad more than 90 mins away from losing the title that season unlike this season and they were largely disappointing in the cups this season. therefore in terms of managerial success 99 was a bigger and better season for ferguson considering expectations and resources have remained at the highest level of the league in comparison to the rest.

i know its more than just money, thats besides the point. money makes managing much easier, thats pretty pobvious i would have thought? already having a top class team would also give you somewhat of an advantage over others? having a team that had already won the league the previous season gives you somewhat of an advantage. the odds were tipped in his favour before the starting pistol sounded. by contrast managers of teams such as Bristol City, Hull et had little finanaces, a poor squad in terms of ability and size, low expectations from all areas of football and yet have defied the odds to have a tremendously successful season.

im talking about now. how long ago was that? 20-odd years ago? the game has changed dramatically.

And Fergie has only got better as the years have rolled by

like a fine wine eh!?

well as much of a pleasure as it has been debating this with you i feel its time i bowed out of this topic before one of us ends up in a coma from banging our heads against the proverbial brick wall!

LOL Good tactical move mate

i know what your saying but look at veron, sheva, cisse, mutu , reyes to name but a few they cost a lot of money and never made the grade

yeah i know, dont have to tell a Newcastle fan that money doesnt mean you get a good player . In my opinion it is more skillful when a manager gets players on low budget likewenger has done over the years.