You all get too upset over this. It's a meningless award. Who cares who wins it?

The fact remains that he achieved the milestone THIS year.

No-one is getting upset FPT, we are just debating a football topic, me and Steely like an argument over nothing

yeah but he did that by firstly running away with the Championship, something Curbishley will never do while with West Ham and secondly finishing mid table with Reading, something that Curbishley has already done with West Ham that means nothing. Curbishley would have to finish in the top 4 to even stand a chance and that just aint going to happen.

its not even that i dislike ferguson. i wouldnt say its clouding my judgement to be honest. i personally think Ince is more deserving and i dislike Ince more than any other manager to give you an example of why its not a personal issue.

like i said above, giving him the award on that basis simply discredits the entire purpose of the award. LMA Manager of The Year (the clue is in the title). withouth sounding like im trying to take anything away from ferguson's fantastic achievements i dont feel his past success should enhance his chances of winning this year. if anything it makes it even easier for his current team to succeed this season.

I think we are going to have to agree to differ on that point. SAF's 10th EPL title has been achieved THIS year and is viewed as an incredible milestone by his peers, just as Bob Paisley's 3rd European Cup was viewed as an incredible milestone. You can only gain recognition for the achievement in the year that you accomplish it.

very true

Ryan Giggs for PFA Player of The Year then?

That award is definitely for a players performance for the current season, and is voted on by players well before the season is finished, but I believe Giggsy does deserve some recognition for his incredible achievement of 10 EPL winners medals. As you have said "it's a completely different award".

of course its different. the LMA is voted by the managers. the PFA is voted by the players.

if the players used the same logic you are backing then Giggs should by rights win the PFA player of the year award.

why should Giggs get any more recognition? in what form? perhaps the club could do something for him but certainly not the FA, Premeir League or any other 'impartial' body. he has 10 premier league winners medals, what more does he need?

that award is for the performance over that individual season and so is (allegedly) the LMA award. for some unknown (arselicking) reason ferguson winning the league has awarded him the title of best performing manager over the season with all the resources he has at his disposal taken into consideration. i just find it hard to swallow.

Logic tells us that the timing of the voting for these two 'different' awards prevents Giggs from being recognised for his achievements in the same way they are able to with the LMA award.

logic also tells me that any 'of the year' awards should be sorted at the end of the year.

The Newfound Resorts Managers' Performance table was devised to allow managers from every level of League football to test themselves against one another.

Every competitive game counts towards a manager's individual score in the League. Points are awarded for victories and draws, with results away from home scoring higher.

Points for clean sheets and goals-scored accumulate throughout the season, whilst a team's winning margin also counts towards the total.

http://www.leaguemanagers.com/awards/tissot-league.html?seasonid=138&type=Season+Total&x=14&y=3



The Managers Performance table also has a bearing on the award. SAF topped it last year but the award went to Steve Coppell who actually topped the table the year before, when he won the award for the first time.

Jackpot_Jac should note that Phil Brown isn't even in the top 20 over the whole season, although he has crept into the top ten in the last quarter.

but that table is so one dimensional.

it has no perspective to it. its no suprise which clubs top that league is it.

its hardly fair to suggest that Phil Brown is less deserving because he has not won as many as other managers at much bigger clubs with much more money and much better players than their rivals. Man United, Chelsea Arsenal and Liverpool are much bigger and better than the rest of the league. agreed? they happen to make up the top 5 of that list. coincidence? of course not. it is not a true measurement of relative success whatsoever and thus does not fairly reflect the jobs that managers do at their clubs

It's based on results, so teams performing well at the tops of their respective divisions should all be in with a shout of topping the table. Paul Ince is currently top in the last current quarter, Phil Brown is 9th in the current quarter, Steve Coppell topped it for the season with Reading in 2005-2006.

Does Paul Ince have more resources at his disposal than Phil Brown? I doubt it.

Ohhhh, one of my greats thinks he deserves the award? Oh, well, i must be wrong... sorry all, Fergie clearly is GOD, one of my greats says so...

/sarcasm

Seriously though, Hansen loves United and in particular Rooney. I've not read the above because i'll probably find myself cringing at how much he fawns over them.

It's a pointless debate really. Fergie's achievement is not the biggest of the football league - fact. Disprove it if you can. Then there'll be room for a debate. Until then, goodbye.

yes but you seem to missing the point. perhaps deliberately.

results are not given in perspective. for example Man United beating derby is treated in the same manner as derby beating Man United when its obviously a much bigger achievement for derby to mastermind a win against Man United.

you cant solely judge a manager on a table of results. hence why Coppell won it last year despite probably not even featuring in the top 25 of that list.

im sure you are well aware of this and are only producing such a list because Ferguson is top of it but i still feel i need to point this out.

What is the biggest Managers achievement of the football league?

Who has served as a top flight Manager longer than SAF and won more honours in the league. The only Manager that I can find that comes anywhere close is Newcastle's Frank Watt who won 4 titles between 1905 and 1927.

for crying out loud.

LMA Manager of The Year.

read that line out three times and once more for luck.

i will repeat it.... LMA Manager of The Year. The Year. The Year.

Not The Decade. The Year.

This Year Ferguson won the league with a squad that had been heavily invested in after already winning the league the Year before.. (ie a completely separate season) he is also in a cup final.

is this the greatest managerial performance in the entire country? has he overcome the odds with limited finance, playing staff, resources? has he led a relegation battling team to top flight football? has he taken over a club in disarray heading nowhere and turned their fortunes around?

It is not "LMA Manager of the last 10 years" though, is it? It's "LMA Manager of the Year".

Bristol City, newly promoted from League One to achieve 4th in the Championship, only just missing out on automatic promotion, pwn Fergie’s ‘achievement’ in every single way possible.

Even in the Premier League you have Moyes' Everton. If you look at their points total over the latter half of this year, last season they would've been on course for a 3rd place finish! It's only because the top four sides have performed so well, each with 75+ points, that they've ended up some way adrift from the Champions League places.

But we have the most competitive Premier league in the world, where, according to expert opinion (Managers), any team in that league is capable of winning ANY game, and generally (Derby excluded) the margin of difference in standard between the sides is NOT as enormous as King Kev leads us to believe. The recent Wigan v Man Utd game highlighted that fact. It would, therefore, in my opinion, be unfair to grade performance between teams in the same division. If Paul Ince can top the table from League 2, then Phil Brown has no excuses for failing to top the table with a League 1 side.

Steely/Ben

Are you two deliberately missing the point here. Yes the award is for this year....in which SAF won his 10th EPL title as well as topping the performance tables.

you will find the Championship is a million times more competetive than the Premiership.

if anybody disagreed with that they need shooting.

dont be silly. if that was