Its not obscure. Thats our national football show 'The World Game' with Les Murray, Craig 'I hate Liverpool' Foster (twit) and Co.

Craig Foster plays down every Liverpool victory as luck

yeah, like i said... obscure.

Someone edited my post from tw@t to twit!

The way I see it, and may I hasten to add I may well be well off the mark, but every side whatever the weather has their designated section of idiots.

Be them Celtic, Rangers, Northwich Victoria - there'll always be an exteme element or other. To me, despite Celtic having a massive backing this side of the Irish sea, they will always be a Scottish club. Glasgow Celtic. Same as with Rangers, okay there'll be a few combat 18 ignoramus's (no offence Steeks) who will pledge alliegence to the cause, no surrender and all that. But the vast majority will be Scots (with maybe a coach or two trecking up from Stamford Bridge 3 times a year)

History will always play a big part in such rivalries - and along with that, that will attract the kind of knacker or chav who is easily led and will generally follow a crowd or peer group (without perhaps not completely understanding why). But thats life in general.
I'd agree with J-Axe that quite possibly many of them don't know the first thing about religion so to label it so is a slant on something than can, on occasions, be quite good and positive.

So I guess I can see what's being said from a few different angles, though I wouldn't neccesarily agree with G-Man's 'woe is us' outlook, as though the Scots are being victimised by everybody - the core of the Celtic/Rangers fanbase is Scottish whether you like it or not.

Hahahahahahaha. Best bit about that guy. He wasnt a season ticket holder. He was a rangers fan so when he got banned he did not care to much.

Try again. thats why these incidents were rare from the motherwell home support.

You honestly believe that these guys who judge and react to people based on their labelled religion are actually religious themselves?

It's not about religion whatsoever. The Catholic and Protestant religions aren't the fault for all these idiots. If these scumbags were involved in religion truly then they would not be such scumbags. It's close-minded hatred and low-life attitudes that drive them - not religious beliefs.

So what I'm saying is to stop labelling both breeds of dog by their so-called religious backgrounds or beliefs, because 99% of them aren't actually religious at all. I understand that they are the labels and words that are often used by others, but it doesn't make sense and is unfair on the people who are actually Catholic or Protestant - and when it's continually said and divided in that way, then the sectarian, racist, bigotry and prejudice element will always remain.

Not that either religion needs defence or any kind of positive claim.

You would know this being from scotland of course and know about govan.

I could understand if you were from glasgow and giving good opinions but your not. You will read papers and see it on tv.

This bigotry p#sh from the west coast. The west coast we would classify as irish/english wannabes

So these football fans are like this because of the Catholic and Protestant religion?

What do these religions teach that makes these football fans act like scum then?

You don't seem to understand the basic concept of what religion is to a person and how it relates or doesn't relate to the attitudes of particular football fans with particular attitudes, brains and mindsets.

I'm not simply talking about Glasgow or Scotland at all - and I don't need to live somewhere or be anywhere or read something to understand that religion does not influence idiotic football fans to be idiotic.

You need to maybe read up on celtic and rangers and how religion was and is involved in there football club. They even had players who were say northen irish playing for celtic and that was made a big deal. What just for the hell of it?
Ive no idea what religion teachs. I went to a school that had no influence in religion neither catholic ir protestant. Weird tho because here in scotland a catholic could go to a protestant school but a protestant kid could not go to a catholic school. How weird.

i ask why dont people support teams where they are from? Like these irish/celtic fans? All because an irish man made celtic. Dam a scotsman founded english football. I should support every english team

I understand fully well why there are relations.

But it's nothing to do with the religions themselves G Man. It's the communities they come from and the cultural beliefs and attitudes that they inherit from their forefathers, peers and politicians.

It's not the direct fault of the teachings of any religion, and I was simply making the point that it's unfair to class these fools as either Catholic or Protestant when in fact you are guaranteed that most of them know jack all about either religion and do not follow or believe in the teachings of either Church/Chapel.

Alot of rangers fan wanted neil lennons head on a plate. Was not a minority either. Nothing to do with religion? Come on these orange lodges that are set up in glasgow maryhill, govan what not. Everyone a rangers fan. You wouldnt dare see a celtic fan one. Any other fan tho welcome.

The fact comes to celtic representing more ireland than scotland in a competition is sad "fan wise" all because some irish dude founded celtic.

You still don't understand the concept of religious influence here.

Those Rangers fans who want Neil Lennon's head on a plate, don't want that because of his religious beliefs. They have no idea if Neil Lennon believes in the Catholic religion or not. They want his head on a plate because they are bitter low-life idiots who have divided themselves from a particular group [Celtic, their fans and anybody related with them].

Do Rangers fans want all Catholic heads on plates? No. Why? It's got nothing to do with religion. It just happens to be that close-minded fools from Nationalist or Catholic communities/areas tend to go towards Celtic because of the Club relations to Ireland and Irish Nationalists.

To divide them and label them Catholics or Protestants is wrong. Neil Lennon I bet does not practice Catholicism and if he did or didn't, the Rangers fans would still despise him because it has nothing to do with the RELIGION itself.

I was brought up by Catholics in a "Catholic" and Nationalist community. Do all Rangers fans want my head on a plate? No - they would never know if I was a Catholic or not - so how can you label each side with a religion? Personally I believe the Catholic religion is a farce, but yet I am more associated with Celtic supporters, Catholics and Nationalists from my community because it's the part of the divide I've grew up in unfortunately. It does not mean that Rangers fans will dislike me or have anything against me and it's the same vice versa.

If I was a die hard Catholic and there was a die hard Protestant who disliked my religious beliefs, then you can divide us and label us with religious descriptions. But to label a set of scumbag, idiot football lugs after a religion, then it's wrong. That was my original point and it makes complete sense.

I understand that a lot of uneducated, ignorant or mentally challenged football fans will use labels such as Catholics or Protestants, or fenians or huns etc. You can let them use that if they like - they are idiots and there's no explaining it to them. But for you, as a seemingly sensible online poster, I thought it'd be wise to point out to you that labelling them as religious folk is simply pointless as it doesn't hold any water.

Ok a few points.
Are you scottish? im guessing irish and speaking about your homeland?
You also said a miniority would sing these songs and hate etc yet ive gave a prime example of 1 player who rangers fan were not happy of, i could name mo johston also, That had nothing to do with his religion?

To be honest i dont care in general about rangers and celtic and what religion there fans are etc. Every scotsman wants them out our league.
Ask conaldinho he even thought dundee were a protestant team and dundee united a catholic team.
But to be honest when i here about foreigners "supporting" another team in another country, does make me laugh. Should support there hom team.

My Nationality is irrelevant. So is the examples of hated players and such.

The fact is plain and simple: Religion does not influence these lowlife lugs to dislike certain players, teams, emblems, Countries, races etc. It's the stinking attitude that is inherited through other mediums, but not the actual RELIGION itself and the teachings within that religion.

SO, IT'S RIDICULOUS TO DESCRIBE A SET OF FOOTBALL FANS AS A RELIGIOUS GROUP or RELIGIOUS PEOPLE AS THEY AREN'T THAT WAY BECAUSE OF THE RELIGION ITSELF NOR ARE THEY ALL RELIGIOUS IN ANY WAY, HENCE IT MAKES IT EVEN MORE RIDICULOUS TO LABEL THEM ALL CATHOLIC OR ALL PROTESTANT.

I don't have to stress that again and again like I have in previous posts. If you can't understand that concept then let this discussion die here pal.

I do understand fully. but when you say miniority who do the songs and chants etc. when It clearly isnt.

Irish flags for a scottish team. Irish flags because an irish person founded celtic. Big deal.
A scot founded the english league. Dont see flags down there.

I asked if ronan supported an irish team? No response

Its ridiculious both old firm teams.

G-Man you have a serious chip on your shoulder

Precisely.

Hooligans, idiots, brain dead chavs do not do what they do because of religious teachings (unless they overdid the vino during communion)

Its not religion, perhaps sectarianism or general intolerance of anything 'not familiar' or alien.

I hope it is okay to post a line or two even though I'm not Scottish.

Get a grip mate. I kinda know thats pointed towards myself. Pretty poor.

I do............................. Explain please