A Scotsman with Yorkshire blood eh? You must be the tightest man on earth.

it might seem odd, but lets say your family is of english blood and they move over here and you are born here in the states....do you really think that supporting USA national team is fair? I have 2 generations of family born here after the move and I still cant find the strength to support them. Its the erogance of america when it comes to the game. "we suck at this so its not a real sport"...no its realer than any american sport since its the WORLDS sport. sorry lost track of topic.

I support England because thats my heritage. I then cheer for Spain (Fernando is that amazing to me) and I will watch and attend any USA match just to raise the hype of the game here.


Yank out

It annoys me also, but I do understand why most would take that path. Man Utd are World famous, successful and everywhere you look you'll see something Man Utd, even in other Countries far & away you'll see them somewhere.

So if you're 7yrs old and get into football and Man Utd are on the TV involved in a Champions League final with interesting players like Ronaldo, Evra and Rooney then you are more than likely going to get attached to them in some sort of way and perhaps it'll grow from that.

In my case, I popped on TV one night and caught my first live football TV match and a team called Arsenal happened to be playing Auxerre. It was actually the kit with the zig-zag design on the navy blue shirt and the hooped socks that got me interested! It was hardly the likes of Merson, Hartson, Dixon etc.

The media and the mainstream that's easily available in so many forms will influence people greatly. It's just like music - guys who see the charts on the Hits channel everyday, or hear the charts on the radio everyday or reach the charts in the paper etc. are going to be aware of that chart mainstream nonsense and that only - unless they go and delve into the wider musical World which takes a slight bit more effort. It's the same as fashion and all things like that.

Man Utd are a brand and probably the biggest brand in sport in this part of the World at least. I accept that a lot of the fans are gloryhunters, but that's the way of it. If anything, you should personally be more proud about who you are and who your Club is and the real reasons for why you are a Hammer - that pride can't be bought. I wish I had that relation to Arsenal to be honest, but I can't say that.

I explained that fully well in my first reply to you - just read and you'll know.

i dont mind england but really when it comes down to it stockport county or my country england i couldnt care less about england. club teams are much better to watch

i did and i still think and feel your a glory hunter in my eyes. No matter what i wouldnt "support" a team outside my country. Maybe a fan but def not a supporter.

I thought you were leaving anyway G_Man?

No moving house and didnt think would have internet up in running? Why you want me gone?

Of course not why would i want a Scotsman who likes Spurs to leave. I was just confused about how you said youd left for a while but then never left.

Moved into flat straight away with no problems. Everything up and running in 1 day. Thought would of been alot worse.

Anyway lets keep on topic.

Yid Army

Yeah sorry my fault.

I think if you Support a country in football the only country you should support is your own. Like Johaldo said he prefers watching Brazil and i think thats OK aslong as he doesnt Brazil with a passion. I think you can watch other countries aslong as you dont support them with a passion. Only if you watch them because you enjoy watching there style of football.

Like whenever Arsenal play i watch there games because they play with a fast tempo and the style of football is usually a plessure to watch like Manchester United.

So i think it all depends on how you support the team. Id probably say you should support your country but i have nothing against anyone who supports other countries unless they make it out like they have a real passion for that Countrys football team when they dont even live there or anything.

I think that is a little unfair on J-Axe. He was a 7 year old kid, living in London close to Highbury, when he was first influenced by football. It had nothing to do with supporting a successful team in a different city or country, as is typical of a glory hunter. He has followed that team faithfully through good and bad times ever since. He has not changed allegiance, as an adult supporter, to a team that is....say....Champions of Europe...like Manchester United. There are people on this forum who say they are supporters of both top EPL sides and top La Liga sides. If you are looking for glory hunters then I suggest you start your search there.

From another country he is from and supports another club. I cant really grasp that if im honest.

You dont have to support your national team. You're free to do whatever you want..dont bother with the others.

However, I believe that you should support your national team.

But never support Argentina (they're bad news ).

I hate when I see brazilians supporting Argentina.

I think a child that young is more easily influenced and adapts quickly to their surroundings, he probably became a Londoner, not even giving a second thought to his nationality. Can you try and put yourself in his shoes as a kid......do you think you may have been influenced in some way that might affect your beliefs. I believe most children would be.

As a child no i supported "went to games well first ones anyway" when i was 5 so i cant put myself in his shoes. Might aswell of supported england also since in that country surely if this is the case?

I don't know, he may well have supported England as a kid until he became more aware of his own national identity.......I don't know......just guessing to be honest.

I am a proud Manchester United fan. When I started supporting United, they were not the dominant World brand that they are now - I have been lucky enough to watch and support them through the years which saw them rise to one of the Elite clubs in World football. I remember the signings of players such as Denis Irwin, Gary Pallister, Peter Schmeichel, Eric Cantona, Paul Parker and Roy Keane who all went on to become United legends. I also remember the signings of Danny Wallace, Neill Webb, Mike Phelan, Les Sealey, Andrei Kanchelskis, Dion Dublin etc who some of you may not remember ever wearing a United shirt (Kanchelskis the exception)

I have also always followed Cardiff City, but I have never had the same passion for City as I do for United. United are my club, and always will be! Am I ashamed? Hell no....even if I did start supporting them when they became successful, I still wouldn't feel ashamed. I think people will start supporting a club for many different reasons. My reason was one Mark Hughes. It was around the 1990 season just after he had signed from Barcelona.

I really don't think it matters why people started supporting their chosen club though as long as they then stick by them through the good and the bad. There is nothing worse than people who abandon their team purely because they are no longer successful, or because another team are now on top so they switch.

Regarding International football, I will always support Wales against anyone else, however I also support England. I am completely gutted when England get knocked out of major tournaments, and I am gutted they are not there now in Euro 2008. I see no problem with this.

If it annoys other people however, then great

So if i had chosen real madrid and stuck by them and all there results and not changed team i would not be a glory hunter? Even tho im not from that country where they play?

Which part of my post above mentioned not being a glory hunter? There are clearly people who start supporting a club based on how successful that club is. They are "glory supporters". As I said above, I have no problem with these people. Why should I? It really doesn't make any difference to me at all. They can still become true football fans, and can still follow and support their team just like any other football supporter. I do however think those who swap clubs or abandon clubs purely because they are no longer successful are not true football fans, and will never feel the emotions that us true football fans get whether it be pure elation or sorrow.