I disagree. Anyone who watches ALL of the EPL and ALL of La Liga games might well have an opinion on it. My opinion is that most Spanish teams would struggle to compete in the EPL because the EPL is a stronger league both in the top 4 and in depth. Your statement is based purely on your opinion, as is mine. It has nothing to do with common sense.

hleb is good full stop not world class not brillant just good.......

And i agree with what most people say you can judge everyone differently on the world class front from the top four teams id judge it as follows.....

Man United

1. vidic (world class)
2. Ferdinand (world class)
3. Ronaldo (world class)
4. Patrice Evra (world class)

Chelsea

1. cech (world class)
2. terry (world class)
3. carvalho (world class
4. Essien (world class)


Arsenal

1. fabregas (world class)
2. van Persie (Nearly world class)

Liverpool

1.Steven Gerard (world class)
2. Fernando torres (world class)
3. Javier Mascherano (world class)


Back to topic arshavin could maybe be world class but i doubt it just a very good accomplised player

Now I would describe both Terry and Vidic as donkeys if we are relating world class to have anything to do with football skills. Both Hleb and Arshavin are way out in front.

As you already know world class has alot more to do with skills heart determination the ability to read agame and so on can be decribed as major factors.....maybe both terry and vidic are not the most classy defenders with the ball at there feet but both can outmark outhink and out muscle any player on there day which to be fair is nearly all the time....Both players i would rate world class but yet again it is only a matter of opinion....

What do you mean, REAL English fans?

You mean biased English fans who are either to blind, or too far up their own ass to admit that other leagues are better?

The type that for the last 10 years have been saying the Premier league is the best league in the world, despite being utterly dominated by Italian and Spanish teams for the majority of that time.

If that's a true English football fan, then i'm glad i'm not one, because that would NOT be a true FOOTBALL fan.

I judge football on quality, not location.

definitely those defenders are not that good because most of the footbalists shown in that video play in small teams, not in russian top-5.

Yes it does. You are just ridiculously biased. I bet you thought we had the strongest league 10 years ago.

Anyway i hope Arshavin dosnt come to england. Would like him to play in spain

Statistics seem to suggest the Spanish league was stronger 10 years ago, but they have only come to the forefront of power again after being missing for the previous 35 years. I will be honest.....I don't recall thinking that we had a stronger or weaker league 10 years ago but stats indicate it WAS weaker and I accept that.

that really depends on your level of sophistication and personal ideas of quality doesn't it.
If we look at how both players perform against the best teams then you will see that Hleb has more impact in games than Ronaldo. But because there is this immature attitude towards the game that is controlled by sensationalism and hype.
If you think that i think Ronaldo is trash then you are wrong ,i think he's a very good young player that has an incredibly bright future.But the way people are talking today and reacting to his performance against average teams is overboard.

Ronaldo scores more goals then Hleb so that makes him better to the intellectually challenged.
Does that make him better than Drogba, Shearer, Best, Giggs ,Henry,scholes, ruud ? no it doesn't ,but you try telling that to the majority of people right now.
What Hleb does is not as apparent unless you really study a game ,but he has so much dimension to his game that goes unnoticed. All those players i have mentioned have performed againist the best teams more consistently than Ronaldo and that's what Hleb has in common with them.

What matters in football is winning over the course of the season. Man Utd could lose six games a year to the other top three but provided the beat every one else that's all that matters because we'd still win the league.

Sure Ronaldo goes quiet a lot in big games (although not all the time) and Hleb looks good in some big games (although again, not all the time) but domestic football is about 38 games not 6 games and so Ronaldo will always be of far more worth than Hleb. If you honestly think otherwise you are a complete moron. Football is a simple game, you have to score goals and stop goals going in against you. It doesn't matter about anything else and Ronaldo's 42 goals in 48 games must have won at least 20 games for Man Utd last season. There is just no chance on earth that Hleb won 20 games for Arsenal last year (through goals, assists and general play) and therefore it's a simple matter of common sense who is the better player. For some reason you love a good dribbler, I like passers myself, but no matter how many players Hleb beats it's all worthless if it doesn't lead to a goal because that's what football is all about in the end...goals. And Ronaldo scored and created far more than Hleb created or scored last year and that's all that matters.

It's nice to see big time players but as far as winning the league goes the three points at Fulham are worth just as much as the three points at Liverpool.

As Ronaldo is phenomenal in the 32 matches verses no top teams and average in the other six, he easilly triumphs against Hleb who is quite good in 38 matches. That's assuming Hleb is good every weak, which he isn't. In fact Hleb tends to be poor against bad teams and there are way more of them in the EPL than top teams, so that matters more.

Stats,Stats,Stats,Stats,Stats,Stats,Stats,Stats

That's all you ever base your opinion on, I'm not saying your rong but sometimes you have to read between the lines a bit more than just going on about stats.

Back on subject I was very impressed with Arshavin during the Euro's and would have loved Liverpool to have been seriously linked to him a few weeks ago.

However since that time he has whored himself around Europe claiming undying love for any team who shows the remotest interest in him. First its his dream to move to Barca, then he relished a Dream move to Chelsea and then he moved on to his dream of turning out for Arsenal, now it seems his agent is trying to breath life back into the barca Dream deal!

Mercenary dreamer if you ask me!?!?!?

Steven Gerrard is not world class.

I'll add to that

Arsenal

Clichy (world class)

Fabregas (is not world class)IMO. Good player though.

I agree Fabregas isn't world class. Nearly, but needs to still prove himself in my opinion.

someone said 'statistics show....'!Immense!

I have heard a lot of rumours of Spurs getting in the mix for this player too lately.

It wouldnt surprise me if he ends up going no where or untill his contract runs out at least.

Zenit St Petersberg the Uefa cup holders are no fools and want a big transfer fee
for Russia's star player and won't accept anything less than £25 million for the play maker.

I think Arsenal are crazy for not being interested in a player of this quality..They could do with him!

They are intrested in him hams they just refuse to pay over the odds for any player no matter how good he is. Arshavin does look a very talented player but 25 million is a lot of money especially for a 27 year old who may have be coming to the end of his best run of form or might just be starting it. Its a rsik which i dont think is worth it especially if it will cost you 25 million if your wrong.