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If Chelsea lose Terry for an extended period of time after this then you could say that the Carling Cup is costing them their chance to scrap for the league because without Terry Chelsea are more beatable. It was sad to see Terry in that condition but deep down as a United fan, I was thinking about how this will benefit us.

A side note, Andriy Shevchenko's pace is non-existent, he looks a shadow of his former self.

 
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it was an accident you muppet. Rolling Eyes


Did I say it wasn't? Idiot.

The same way players are allowed to slide in for the ball on the ground, it isn't allowed in the air is it? Karate kick diving in mid air? No, because of the potential of dangerous head injuries. Even though it was accidental, it was reckless and dangerous.

 
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A side note, Andriy Shevchenko's pace is non-existent, he looks a shadow of his former self.


I was thinking exactly that mate.

Well done to Chelsea. They certainly didn't play the most attractive football, but their spirit saw them through and they took their chances well.
I really wasn't sure what to make of the JT incident. I mean, I know it was an accident and all - he obviously didn't kick him in the face on purpose, yet surely it was a very high foot which resulted in a clumsy challenge? For me, it could have quite easily been a penalty and I wouldn't have been surprised. Hopefully he'll make a quick recovery, for England's sake, if not Chelsea's.
I was amazed at how that confrontation erupted near the end and I thought that the Ref dealt with the matter quite well under the circumstances. He gave cards for the incidents which he saw and then took the advice of the linesman for the other decisions, which was all he could do. I'm not sure whether the linesman got it quite right - I need to see it again really. Judging by the reaction of Adebayor, I started to think that he may have been innocent after all although he was certainly in the thick of it.
An exciting game for a neutral but not necessarily for all the right reasons. I'm sure that we'll be hearing a lot more about it in the coming days.



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I was amazed at how that confrontation eruptednear the end and I thought that the Ref dealt with the matter quite well under the circumstances. He gave cards for the incidents which he saw and then took the advice of the linesman for the other decisions, which was all he could do.


It was good to see the linesman giving the Reff a bit of back-up for once.

 
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I was amazed at how that confrontation eruptednear the end and I thought that the Ref dealt with the matter quite well under the circumstances. He gave cards for the incidents which he saw and then took the advice of the linesman for the other decisions, which was all he could do.


It was good to see the linesman giving the Reff a bit of back-up for once.


Yep, and nice to see Mourinho get stuck in and give the Ref some back-up as well. Wink

 
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Good news; looks like Terry has left hospital already.

http://home.skysports.com/list.aspx?hlid=450657&CPID=2&clid=8&lid=2&title=Terry+injury+fears+allayed&channel=football_home&

He must be some kind of Superman, getting all these knocks and recovering quickly. Incredible.

 
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it was an accident you muppet. Rolling Eyes


Did I say it wasn't? Idiot.

The same way players are allowed to slide in for the ball on the ground, it isn't allowed in the air is it? Karate kick diving in mid air? No, because of the potential of dangerous head injuries. Even though it was accidental, it was reckless and dangerous.


you incinuated that it was disgraceful play,idiot.
accidents happen,no matter how disgracefull they look in the aftermath. Rolling Eyes

 
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In the context of football, JT's injury was certainly very serious. When you think about it though, boxers are frequently getting knocked out, yet they're usually up and about a few minutes after the incident.
Please don't get me wrong here; I'm in no way implying that JT overreacted or that the medical staff were being too cautious. I'm just saying that I'm sure we all have a different reaction to a person being knocked out, depending on the sport/arena. I was certainly more concerned about JT that I usually am when I see a boxer go down.

Just an observation. Smile

 
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Wow certainly sounded like an entertaining and eventful game on fivelive. Saw th highlights of the goals and the ruck on the news. Disgraceful behaviour but great to watch you have to admit! Terry's injury was a sickening impact but obviously no intent from Diaby and i think it was more a case of a stooped head than a raised foot. Fair play on the Arsenal players who stayed with and apparently tried to help Terry though. Apparently Bridge has come out after the game and said that Adebayor was the wrong man!

 
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In the context of football, JT's injury was certainly very serious. When you think about it though, boxers are frequently getting knocked out, yet they're usually up and about a few minutes after the incident.
Please don't get me wrong here; I'm in no way implying that JT overreacted or that the medical staff were being too cautious. I'm just saying that I'm sure we all have a different reaction to a person being knocked out, depending on the sport/arena. I was certainly more concerned about JT that I usually am when I see a boxer go down.

Just an observation. Smile


Mate, two words.....Boxing gloves. They are there to make sure that although the boxer is taking a heavy blow, it is cushioned somewhat to take away from the affect of a blow. If there was no gloves then you would see nearly every knockout, being that they don't get up and medics rushing in.

Nobody gets straight back up from a straight boot to the face.

 
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you incinuated that it was disgraceful play,idiot.
accidents happen,no matter how disgracefull they look in the aftermath. Rolling Eyes


It's "insinuate", you prat.

Just because it was an accident, it doesn't mean he's exempt from punishment. I never said he did it deliberately, or that it was disgraceful play. I just said it was reckless and dangerous, hence worthy of a yellow card.
Now repeat that back to me, I wanna make sure you understand Cool

The only disgraceful thing was you and your team's attitude. Smarten up your act.

 
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Before you start throwing your toys out of your pram, I would like to add that Essien's challenge on Baptista in the first half was a lot worse, and he was very lucky to stay on the pitch, in my opinion. That was disgraceful.

 
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well ...what a dissapointing end to the final on two things . Firstly because we lost of course and secondly we got involved in a brawl with the Chelsea players . The decision to stick with the youngsters i think was right by Arsene Wenger , they did get us to the final and it would have been a big slap on their faces if they had of been replaced by Henry and co . We did outplay Chelsea for a good deal of the match but lacked the ability to finish them off after going ahead with a superb Theo Walcott goal . I though Drogba was clearly offside for the equaliser ..but...looking at replays , it may have been a close call ....another day it would have been offside i guess . No complaints about Drogba`s second goal , a great header giving Almunia no chance ..we did however give the ball away which allowed Chelsea to set up the cross for the goal .

The big brawl at the end was a shame , why did so many get involved ...Mikel and Toure were obviously going to get red cards for their initial actions but then Fabregas , Lampard and Adebayor try to intervene and end up getting cards .The red for Adebayor i still dont know the reason ....we will find out i suppose but he was certainly in danger of losing his cool ...i though he was going to attack someone at one point ..

I do admit that Arsenal are bad losers when things are going wrong ....they just cannot seem to accept decisions going against them ...it does happen to other teams as well and all this nonsense about everybody is against us is rubbish . When we are playing our beautiful football and scoring goals and winning games and trophies everyone is happy ...Arsene Wenger ...Thierry Henry ..Fabregas ...you dont see them moaning at all .

I am now just waiting to hear from the players and Arsene Wenger complaining about the goal and this decision and who got sent off and whatever else ..

The fact is for all our nice football today and a superb goal by Theo Walcott we have come home with nothing ....i think Mourinho summed it up after the game ..he praised Arsenal`s youngsters and said they outplayed Chelsea for periods of the game and are a very good side ..but the important thing is winning and Chelsea scored 2 goals and they have the Carling Cup now .

So congratulations to Chelsea ....

Arsenal ....well we have an important 10 days coming i guess , i hope it wont all be over for us after that .

 
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Superb post there Conner - and I agree with all of that!

 
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mont` wrote:
In the context of football, JT's injury was certainly very serious. When you think about it though, boxers are frequently getting knocked out, yet they're usually up and about a few minutes after the incident.
Please don't get me wrong here; I'm in no way implying that JT overreacted or that the medical staff were being too cautious. I'm just saying that I'm sure we all have a different reaction to a person being knocked out, depending on the sport/arena. I was certainly more concerned about JT that I usually am when I see a boxer go down.

Just an observation. Smile


Mate, two words.....Boxing gloves. They are there to make sure that although the boxer is taking a heavy blow, it is cushioned somewhat to take away from the affect of a blow. If there was no gloves then you would see nearly every knockout, being that they don't get up and medics rushing in.

Nobody gets straight back up from a straight boot to the face.


If you look at the highlighted text mate, you'll see that I wasn't saying that I expected JT to "get straight back up". Boxers can obtain huge cuts during fights though. People have even been know to die from a punch they received from a boxing-glove-covered hand.
I was only really pointing out the difference in the way that I personally reacted to the JT incident, in a semi-serious sort of way. I guess it's off topic though, so never mind. Smile

That's a top post conner by the way...

 
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northbank wrote:

you incinuated that it was disgraceful play,idiot.
accidents happen,no matter how disgracefull they look in the aftermath. Rolling Eyes


It's "insinuate", you prat.

Just because it was an accident, it doesn't mean he's exempt from punishment. I never said he did it deliberately, or that it was disgraceful play. I just said it was reckless and dangerous, hence worthy of a yellow card.
Now repeat that back to me, I wanna make sure you understand Cool

The only disgraceful thing was you and your team's attitude. Smarten up your act.


ok,weve astablished that im a pratt and your an idiot,but can we talk football instead of you insulting me just coz im drowning my sorrows with carling and didnt spell 'insinuate' properly?
you make some good points mate but slow down on the sarcasm,it doesnt become you Cool

 
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Good post by Conner, I agree with all of it!

Yet again Arsenal and Fabregas prove what sore losers they are, Fabregas deserved to get sent off, along with Toure but Mikel did nothing, Toure ran up to him after the foul and grabbed his neck then Lampard & Fabregas got involved and Mikel just stod there with his hands up, harsh sending off imo.

 
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No wonde Adebayor was going mad, It was Eboue who gave Bridge a thump. I was disappointed to see Bridge's reaction though, he shouted that he was hit and then he went down.

 
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Yea Eboue punched him from behind in the back of the head. Little [beep!] should be banned for life.

And the incident where Terry got kicked in the face, anywhere else on the pitch that would have been a free kick, so why wasnt it a penalty? Yes I know it wasnt deliberate but a high foot when people heads are there is dangerous play and ALWAYS are given for a freekick, not this time however. Referees need to stick to the rules of the game more and not worry about upsetting moaning managers.

 
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Exactly, Bouba Diop should have been off yesterday but it seems that refs chicken out all too often.

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