It's "insinuate", you prat.

Just because it was an accident, it doesn't mean he's exempt from punishment. I never said he did it deliberately, or that it was disgraceful play. I just said it was reckless and dangerous, hence worthy of a yellow card.
Now repeat that back to me, I wanna make sure you understand

The only disgraceful thing was you and your team's attitude. Smarten up your act.

Before you start throwing your toys out of your pram, I would like to add that Essien's challenge on Baptista in the first half was a lot worse, and he was very lucky to stay on the pitch, in my opinion. That was disgraceful.

well ...what a dissapointing end to the final on two things . Firstly because we lost of course and secondly we got involved in a brawl with the Chelsea players . The decision to stick with the youngsters i think was right by Arsene Wenger , they did get us to the final and it would have been a big slap on their faces if they had of been replaced by Henry and co . We did outplay Chelsea for a good deal of the match but lacked the ability to finish them off after going ahead with a superb Theo Walcott goal . I though Drogba was clearly offside for the equaliser ..but...looking at replays , it may have been a close call ....another day it would have been offside i guess . No complaints about Drogba`s second goal , a great header giving Almunia no chance ..we did however give the ball away which allowed Chelsea to set up the cross for the goal .

The big brawl at the end was a shame , why did so many get involved ...Mikel and Toure were obviously going to get red cards for their initial actions but then Fabregas , Lampard and Adebayor try to intervene and end up getting cards .The red for Adebayor i still dont know the reason ....we will find out i suppose but he was certainly in danger of losing his cool ...i though he was going to attack someone at one point ..

I do admit that Arsenal are bad losers when things are going wrong ....they just cannot seem to accept decisions going against them ...it does happen to other teams as well and all this nonsense about everybody is against us is rubbish . When we are playing our beautiful football and scoring goals and winning games and trophies everyone is happy ...Arsene Wenger ...Thierry Henry ..Fabregas ...you dont see them moaning at all .

I am now just waiting to hear from the players and Arsene Wenger complaining about the goal and this decision and who got sent off and whatever else ..

The fact is for all our nice football today and a superb goal by Theo Walcott we have come home with nothing ....i think Mourinho summed it up after the game ..he praised Arsenal`s youngsters and said they outplayed Chelsea for periods of the game and are a very good side ..but the important thing is winning and Chelsea scored 2 goals and they have the Carling Cup now .

So congratulations to Chelsea ....

Arsenal ....well we have an important 10 days coming i guess , i hope it wont all be over for us after that .

Superb post there Conner - and I agree with all of that!

If you look at the highlighted text mate, you'll see that I wasn't saying that I expected JT to "get straight back up". Boxers can obtain huge cuts during fights though. People have even been know to die from a punch they received from a boxing-glove-covered hand.
I was only really pointing out the difference in the way that I personally reacted to the JT incident, in a semi-serious sort of way. I guess it's off topic though, so never mind.

That's a top post conner by the way...

ok,weve astablished that im a pratt and your an idiot,but can we talk football instead of you insulting me just coz im drowning my sorrows with carling and didnt spell 'insinuate' properly?
you make some good points mate but slow down on the sarcasm,it doesnt become you

Good post by Conner, I agree with all of it!

Yet again Arsenal and Fabregas prove what sore losers they are, Fabregas deserved to get sent off, along with Toure but Mikel did nothing, Toure ran up to him after the foul and grabbed his neck then Lampard & Fabregas got involved and Mikel just stod there with his hands up, harsh sending off imo.

No wonde Adebayor was going mad, It was Eboue who gave Bridge a thump. I was disappointed to see Bridge's reaction though, he shouted that he was hit and then he went down.

Yea Eboue punched him from behind in the back of the head. Little [beep!] should be banned for life.

And the incident where Terry got kicked in the face, anywhere else on the pitch that would have been a free kick, so why wasnt it a penalty? Yes I know it wasnt deliberate but a high foot when people heads are there is dangerous play and ALWAYS are given for a freekick, not this time however. Referees need to stick to the rules of the game more and not worry about upsetting moaning managers.

Exactly, Bouba Diop should have been off yesterday but it seems that refs chicken out all too often.

Don't see why Diaby should have been sent off?? Terry brought himself down to the height of the ball. Diaby had every right to go for that ball and did. Didn't here any complaints only from a seclected few on here. Still It wasn't nice to see and I felt for John Terry and thank the lord that he is ok.

Anyway...

About the match. I am so bored of watching Arsenal destroy teams like we destroyed Chelsea yesterday and come away with F.A!! I was ready to lose to Chelsea when I first saw the teams sheets. Chelsea with the likes of Lampard, Essian, Ballack, Drogba Chech...etc.. (= £150m) Chech in my opinion was man of the match! If Chelsea had any other keeper they would have lost. But at the end of the day if we don't take or chances we derserve to lose. Their first goal WAS offside! there's no rule to say that he was only just offside so we're let him off!! offside is offside!! and that rub of the green is something that Chelsea and Man U alike has been getting all season. We can outplay sides but you can't outplay the officials.

I think we really need to work on the final product. Scoring goals wins you games and gets you results. Their is no point donimating matches by great passing and great football. Chelsea so called big guns all had quiet games and were shut out for most of it but scored the goal they need to win the match.

As for Fabby should have been sent off I don't know about that, Maybe Lampard should have. It was so embarrassing to watch. I thought that Fabby tried to split it up. Eboue was out of order as was Bridge trying to time waste which started the fight in the first place. Toure should have just left Mikel to time waste and tried to get on with the game.

It was also so funny how the linesman that allowed the offside goal also decided to advise to send off one of our strikers!!??? hhhmmmm?

And there you have it folks, an un-biased, un-blinkered fair account of the Carling Cup final from Pokerkings.

(He's an Arsenal fan)

And there you have it folks, a Mod that changes peoples posts if he does'nt agree with what you are saying. Then admits he changes peoples posts in private messages and apologies for doing it saying he'll never do it again....

(He's a Man U fan from N.Ireland!! GLORY HUNTER!!!)

Well I got the predicted First Eleven right (bar Senderos for Djourou which was a mistake by Wenger in my opinion) and I predicted the score right!

Couldn't get to watch this game, which was really disappointing as it sounded like an 'interesting' spectacle.

Firstly, congratulations to Theo who scored his first goal for Arsenal and I'm raging that I didn't get to see it happen. And congratulations to the Arsenal 'kids' who battled throughout against a skillionaire Abramovich Dream Team and matched them all over the pitch (by the sounds of it). Until Drogba nailed Senderos again (from what I heard, hence mistake Arsène).

I could only listen on radio, but the stoppage time scenario sounded absolutely nuts. I must admit, I'm hugely surprised at what I heard about Kolo Touré - it's really unlike him and his reputation should not suffer from that. He is a model professional & always has been.

Eboué - fool.
Cesc - needs to sort out his attitude.
Adebayor - always was arrogant.

So those morons let us down again? Sad. I think Wenger needs to seriously look at this nonsense that's going on (and those 3 players have been guilty, OK not so much Adebayor in an Arsenal shirt, but the other two have been guilty of bad attitude, cheating & arrogance before) and Wenger needs to act. I mean, they are young & as Mourinho said, "sometimes mature people lose control of their emotions," and I hope these lads wise up to that. Vieira was similiar in his early days - the amount of red cards he collected was bad.

Eboué is a talented young footballer, still adapting to his new position & the Club. He clearly has the abilities & the potential to become a star player but his attitude is awful and I cringe when I see him play. I always have & have always said that I prefer Hoyte who has a good attitude, passion & determination whilst being a more stable & willing Defender.

Senderos is & always has been a weak target for Strikers. His footballing game is poor & if you take away his strength, determination & aerial abilities he'd be a Pascal Cygan with better hoofing abilities. I'm never comfortable when he starts - especially when picked ahead of Djourou who has so much more to his game.

But good to hear about Denílson having another quality game. He and Cesc will be a superb partnership in years to come, with Diaby also showing class on his return.

Anyways, heads down, working hard & concentrate on the next few games where we could be saying cheerio to the F.A Cup & the Champions League in a week - leaving us trophyless for definite.

Oh and well done Chelsea I suppose. Another well bought trophy.

isnt it funny when these brawls start , Fabregas and Lampard try to go in to break things up but only end up making it worse , trying to yank players away is not always good as those players then take offence and start pushing and pulling as well and then more get involved ...

I see now Eboue looks like the one who should have been sent off ..not Adebayor , hope Arsenal appeal against that one .

Those of you who are slating Fabregas for all his misdeeds and saying he should have been sent off ...i agree a few times he was wrong ...but Chelsea were also guilty of 3 or 4 cynical fouls by players who were already on a yellow card . I thought the ref was a bit lenient on some of those .

About the injury to John Terry , it was an accident and maybe Diaby did kick a bit high but these sort of kicks are done all the time to clear balls from the penalty area . The point is most times someones head is not in the way or close to the ball , the ref decided it was not dangerous or reckless ... 50/50 ball i think and John Terry was the unfortunate victim .

An interesting point though , when is it reckless or dangerous kicking high ..how does a player know if someone launches himself at the ball like Terry did . Should all high kicking be punished ...ie instant free ...etc or would it spoil the game and turn everyone into softies ....?

Your right about Senderos. Drogba gets the better of him everytime and I would have thought Wenger would have and should have played Djourou in that game. Senderous did ok up until Drogba's second goal. Nightmare of a player sometimes...

Cesc did nothing wrong by the way other than get involved in trying to split up the fight.

Eboue should be sold and has a bad temper!!

Adebayor did nothing wrong...? he's not arrogant either.... he came on after the match to congratulate the Chelsea players!!

Diarra, Lampard and Essien should have been sent off. One of Essien's fouls on Baptista was unreal!!

The only moron was Eboue and he was'nt on long enough to care about.

Denilson had a outstanding game and locked out both Lampard and Ballack.

Don't know if I would buy the Carling cup for £150 million though? I'd like to know how much our kids cost in total who outplayed, out skilled and dominated most of the game.

Since when was that ball not head height. Diaby's boot was high, clear cut penalty. If he hadn't took Terry's head off, there is a strong possibility that he would have scored.

It looks bad from that picture but Live Diaby had every right to go for that ball and I don't think he even saw Terry flying in!!

Penalty!!! what are you talking about?, not even Chelsea were claiming that! it was a accident plan and simple. You United fans will claim anything...

but i think the point is that Diaby was just trying to clear the ball , split second decision ...i am not sure he could have known John Terry was going to launch himself at the ball . If Diaby had not made the challenge and Terry had scored would he have been slated for not clearing the ball ..?

I must admit that i have not heard any claims for a penalty in any newspaper ,or from any of the Chelsea players or the manager or tv pundits or commentators .

Another point not mentioned yet was the fact that even after Drogba's offside goal Adebayor went one on one with the goalie only to be ruled offside. Adebayor went mad!! what did the replay's show... he was clearly 2 yards ONSIDE!!

HHHmmmmm

Can you blame them for not claiming a penalty? He was out cold. The facts are, that Diaby prevented John Terry a goalscoring chance by kicking him in the face. If Terry didn't look dead the Chelsea players would have swarmed the ref.

I think the defender (Diaby) had every right to go for it... Everyone knows that if u go for diving headers in the box in kicking range u might get kicked with edgy defenders around...What is he supposed to do? let him score? Lol

I'm so happy for Walcott, cause he is the great hope for english fooball...

Also i would like to add that im no fan of Chelsea, i might even admit i hate them... But the way the Arsenal players react to losing is pathetic, especially Fabregas, that lad needs a good clip around the ears hehe... I think im starting to hate Arsenal more than Chelsea...

well maybe its true they were more concerned about Terry , i still dont know though about a penalty ....it does look bad in the photo but they dont always tell the whole story ..