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Don't see why Diaby should have been sent off?? Terry brought himself down to the height of the ball. Diaby had every right to go for that ball and did. Didn't here any complaints only from a seclected few on here. Still It wasn't nice to see and I felt for John Terry and thank the lord that he is ok.

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About the match. I am so bored of watching Arsenal destroy teams like we destroyed Chelsea yesterday and come away with F.A!! I was ready to lose to Chelsea when I first saw the teams sheets. Chelsea with the likes of Lampard, Essian, Ballack, Drogba Chech...etc.. (= £150m) Chech in my opinion was man of the match! If Chelsea had any other keeper they would have lost. But at the end of the day if we don't take or chances we derserve to lose. Their first goal WAS offside! there's no rule to say that he was only just offside so we're let him off!! offside is offside!! and that rub of the green is something that Chelsea and Man U alike has been getting all season. We can outplay sides but you can't outplay the officials.

I think we really need to work on the final product. Scoring goals wins you games and gets you results. Their is no point donimating matches by great passing and great football. Chelsea so called big guns all had quiet games and were shut out for most of it but scored the goal they need to win the match.

As for Fabby should have been sent off I don't know about that, Maybe Lampard should have. It was so embarrassing to watch. I thought that Fabby tried to split it up. Eboue was out of order as was Bridge trying to time waste which started the fight in the first place. Toure should have just left Mikel to time waste and tried to get on with the game.

It was also so funny how the linesman that allowed the offside goal also decided to advise to send off one of our strikers!!??? hhhmmmm? Confused

 
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And there you have it folks, an un-biased, un-blinkered fair account of the Carling Cup final from Pokerkings.

(He's an Arsenal fan)

 
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And there you have it folks, an un-biased, un-blinkered fair account of the Carling Cup final from Pokerkings.

(He's an Arsenal fan)


And there you have it folks, a Mod that changes peoples posts if he does'nt agree with what you are saying. Then admits he changes peoples posts in private messages and apologies for doing it saying he'll never do it again....

(He's a Man U fan from N.Ireland!! GLORY HUNTER!!!)

 
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Well I got the predicted First Eleven right (bar Senderos for Djourou which was a mistake by Wenger in my opinion) and I predicted the score right!

Couldn't get to watch this game, which was really disappointing as it sounded like an 'interesting' spectacle.

Firstly, congratulations to Theo who scored his first goal for Arsenal and I'm raging that I didn't get to see it happen. And congratulations to the Arsenal 'kids' who battled throughout against a skillionaire Abramovich Dream Team and matched them all over the pitch (by the sounds of it). Until Drogba nailed Senderos again (from what I heard, hence mistake Arsène).

I could only listen on radio, but the stoppage time scenario sounded absolutely nuts. I must admit, I'm hugely surprised at what I heard about Kolo Touré - it's really unlike him and his reputation should not suffer from that. He is a model professional & always has been.

Eboué - fool.
Cesc - needs to sort out his attitude.
Adebayor - always was arrogant.

So those morons let us down again? Sad. I think Wenger needs to seriously look at this nonsense that's going on (and those 3 players have been guilty, OK not so much Adebayor in an Arsenal shirt, but the other two have been guilty of bad attitude, cheating & arrogance before) and Wenger needs to act. I mean, they are young & as Mourinho said, "sometimes mature people lose control of their emotions," and I hope these lads wise up to that. Vieira was similiar in his early days - the amount of red cards he collected was bad.

Eboué is a talented young footballer, still adapting to his new position & the Club. He clearly has the abilities & the potential to become a star player but his attitude is awful and I cringe when I see him play. I always have & have always said that I prefer Hoyte who has a good attitude, passion & determination whilst being a more stable & willing Defender.

Senderos is & always has been a weak target for Strikers. His footballing game is poor & if you take away his strength, determination & aerial abilities he'd be a Pascal Cygan with better hoofing abilities. I'm never comfortable when he starts - especially when picked ahead of Djourou who has so much more to his game.

But good to hear about Denílson having another quality game. He and Cesc will be a superb partnership in years to come, with Diaby also showing class on his return.

Anyways, heads down, working hard & concentrate on the next few games where we could be saying cheerio to the F.A Cup & the Champions League in a week - leaving us trophyless for definite.

Oh and well done Chelsea I suppose. Another well bought trophy. Wink



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isnt it funny when these brawls start , Fabregas and Lampard try to go in to break things up but only end up making it worse , trying to yank players away is not always good as those players then take offence and start pushing and pulling as well and then more get involved ...

I see now Eboue looks like the one who should have been sent off ..not Adebayor , hope Arsenal appeal against that one .

Those of you who are slating Fabregas for all his misdeeds and saying he should have been sent off ...i agree a few times he was wrong ...but Chelsea were also guilty of 3 or 4 cynical fouls by players who were already on a yellow card . I thought the ref was a bit lenient on some of those .

About the injury to John Terry , it was an accident and maybe Diaby did kick a bit high but these sort of kicks are done all the time to clear balls from the penalty area . The point is most times someones head is not in the way or close to the ball , the ref decided it was not dangerous or reckless ... 50/50 ball i think and John Terry was the unfortunate victim .

An interesting point though , when is it reckless or dangerous kicking high ..how does a player know if someone launches himself at the ball like Terry did . Should all high kicking be punished ...ie instant free ...etc or would it spoil the game and turn everyone into softies ....?

 
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Your right about Senderos. Drogba gets the better of him everytime and I would have thought Wenger would have and should have played Djourou in that game. Senderous did ok up until Drogba's second goal. Nightmare of a player sometimes...

Cesc did nothing wrong by the way other than get involved in trying to split up the fight.

Eboue should be sold and has a bad temper!!

Adebayor did nothing wrong...? he's not arrogant either.... he came on after the match to congratulate the Chelsea players!!

Diarra, Lampard and Essien should have been sent off. One of Essien's fouls on Baptista was unreal!!

The only moron was Eboue and he was'nt on long enough to care about.

Denilson had a outstanding game and locked out both Lampard and Ballack.

Don't know if I would buy the Carling cup for £150 million though? I'd like to know how much our kids cost in total who outplayed, out skilled and dominated most of the game.

 
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Since when was that ball not head height. Diaby's boot was high, clear cut penalty. If he hadn't took Terry's head off, there is a strong possibility that he would have scored.

 
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It looks bad from that picture but Live Diaby had every right to go for that ball and I don't think he even saw Terry flying in!!

Penalty!!! what are you talking about?, not even Chelsea were claiming that! it was a accident plan and simple. You United fans will claim anything...

 
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Since when was that ball not head height. Diaby's boot was high, clear cut penalty. If he hadn't took Terry's head off, there is a strong possibility that he would have scored.


but i think the point is that Diaby was just trying to clear the ball , split second decision ...i am not sure he could have known John Terry was going to launch himself at the ball . If Diaby had not made the challenge and Terry had scored would he have been slated for not clearing the ball ..?

I must admit that i have not heard any claims for a penalty in any newspaper ,or from any of the Chelsea players or the manager or tv pundits or commentators .

 
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Another point not mentioned yet was the fact that even after Drogba's offside goal Adebayor went one on one with the goalie only to be ruled offside. Adebayor went mad!! what did the replay's show... he was clearly 2 yards ONSIDE!!

HHHmmmmm Confused

 
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Can you blame them for not claiming a penalty? He was out cold. The facts are, that Diaby prevented John Terry a goalscoring chance by kicking him in the face. If Terry didn't look dead the Chelsea players would have swarmed the ref.

 
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I think the defender (Diaby) had every right to go for it... Everyone knows that if u go for diving headers in the box in kicking range u might get kicked with edgy defenders around...What is he supposed to do? let him score? Lol

I'm so happy for Walcott, cause he is the great hope for english fooball...

Also i would like to add that im no fan of Chelsea, i might even admit i hate them... But the way the Arsenal players react to losing is pathetic, especially Fabregas, that lad needs a good clip around the ears hehe... I think im starting to hate Arsenal more than Chelsea... Rolling Eyes Wink

 
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well maybe its true they were more concerned about Terry , i still dont know though about a penalty ....it does look bad in the photo but they dont always tell the whole story ..

 
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Yeah, Diaby had every right to go for it, if he took the ball cleanly and maybe caught Terry but that is wreckless indangerment Laughing

From now on I will call Diaby, Kane. For the resemblence to the WWF wrestler.

 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxSglU-zxt4

Clearly catches Terry in the face. You can say that about any foul, he was entitled to go for it, he caught him by accident but it is still a foul. It was Diaby's poor touch that landed him in the situation.

 
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The ball was there to be won - 50/50 challenge, Diaby went for it, Terry went for it. Unfortunately for Terry he went in with his head & got cleaned by Diaby.

Never a penalty, never a foul.

 
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Terry went for it, Diaby went for it, yeah. You're right there.

What you don't mention is Terry gets it, Diaby doesn't. Terry gets it in the face.

Any other challenge where both players go for it and one gets the ball and the other gets the man, is a foul. Just like this one.

Foul play.

 
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Diaby reached the ball. Terry was flying towards it, hence getting more force on it driving it over the bar. Terry's head clashed with Diaby's foot.

No foul, no penalty. Chelsea, the Ref and even the Media agree.

You're clutching at straws, when there is no point. It was an ugly part of the game which really changed things & it's over and done with.

Hopefully Terry doesn't have any problems with the injury.

 
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Why look at a photo when the video is above? Terry clearly gets to the ball first and foremost. That is fact.

A bit odd that you took the time to post that, but then again, it's the only way you can try to make your argument look respectable. By lying and twisting the facts.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=cxSglU-zxt4

There it is again.

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