That photo was cut from the still of that video. I wouldn't "lye" about something so daft.

And that picture proves that Diaby got to the ball.

Argue all you like. I'm done here, with this nonsense. Never a penalty, never a foul. Ask the F.A if you like.

Why are you sop bothered?? No one else is. It was never a foul in a million years!! You've been watchinh too much of United getting too many silly decisions!!!

just gotta say, i was there

He did ok, But if I remember rightly he gave the ball away for the second goal.

It's hard to draw any conclusions from the Terry incident. I think that a free kick would have been given anywhere else on the pitch, which begs the question: why wasn't it a penalty? Obviously though, there are other ways of looking at this. Should Diaby have just done nothing and let Terry score? Should Diaby have gone for the ball with his head? I would be inclined to answer "no" to both of those questions.
Some people mention that the Chelsea players didn't appeal for a penalty. If your team mate is seriously injured on the floor and you all crowd around the Ref asking for a penalty, then you'd basically look like a bunch of inconsiderate fools. It wouldn't have been appropriate. Everyone on the pitch was shocked at the severity of the injury and didn't feel like as though appealing for a penalty would be the 'right thing to do'. They all just wanted to get back to playing football.
Here's an interesting point to consider though: if a high foot is seen as dangerous play in the modern game, then does this mean that bicycle/scissor kicks should be banned? Personally, I think not.
I'm still undecided about the whole incident really. It's quite a strange one because it seems to raise so many contradictions.

To be honest after watching the incident a fair few times on 2drive tv (Glorified Sky+) I have come to the conclusion that it was a 50-50 ball and both players had every right to go for it, only Terry chose to with his head and Diably his boot

It was there to be won, but won in the right way. If a ball is in the air, you can't karate kick it to win it, can you? That ball was at a headable height. I don't think a red card, but certainly yellow. Also, Diaby did get to the ball...by kicking through JT's head!! He got the man first, ball second. That is why a penalty claim would be justified.

If the ref did blow for a penalty, what argument could Arsenal make on it?

PS - Northbank, you started the name calling. The only thing that was established is that you're a bad loser.

Get a room you two

Muck around with the details all you like.

Never a penalty & never a foul. Hence, no penalty or caution was given.

Personally I don’t think it was a pen at all, Terry was diving in for the header and Diaby was trying to kick it up and away, this kind of thing happens; no pen.

I have to say that i was really impressed with Denilson, look like he has bright future at Arsenal. Seen him a few times now and I like him. Also the two young full back looked cool clam and collected.

Aliadiere again had a poor game, he played really well against Bolton in the FA Cup, was largely anonymous.

Theo finally scored and what a goal it was great build up and top finish.

Chelsea’s first goal was offside no doubt about that, but second sendorous should have done more.

Why adebaylor got sent off no one will ever know Arsenal should appeal that one, Eboue should have been sent of for the thump he gave to bridge. Fabregas and Lampard should have been sent off as well as tourer and mikel. (Could it be they weren’t sent of because they are not black) , before any one jumps on me that statement is a joke

Overall a very enjoyable game, end to end action, a knocked blow, and a fight.

Just like end of by saying congratulations to Chelsea.

As I've said, I'm undecided on this incident but you can't always assume that the Ref got it right mate. I know that his decision will always be final but they often make mistakes and these - more often than not - lead to debates. People like the express their views and vent their frustrations. This forum can be a good form of therapy when it comes to incorrect decisions.

Yep, Axe's boy Jeremie didnt do too well yesterday... He looked more like Jeremy Beadle.....

If you are going to make a joke, at least have the conviction to follow it up man

I believe they were sent off because they were black and rightly so, how dare they share a pitch with our white players. The ref is my skinhead brother.

Like that.

My original point about about the incident that seemed to start this argument is that anywhere else on the pitch that would have resulted in a freekick to Chelsea. We see them all the time on the half way line, high foot near players head, ref blows whistle, guy apologises, freekick is taken.

J Axe and Pokerkings do you disagree with that?

Im not saying it should have been called a penalty cos there seems to be a common understanding with referees that the severity level of fouls is raised when in the box, because the consequences are harsher. Right ro wrong, its messing with the laws of the game.

Wenger has said that the current crop of up and coming first-teamers are a product of substantial investment in the youth game, and the payback of 5 years hard work. So Chelsea did lift the Carling Cup, but Arsenal have gained a hell of a lot from this year's tournament. One thing is certain, the FA Cup will provide far less entertainment from here to Wembley !

So here's why I'm so proud to be a Gooner following a Cup Final defeat:

1. Our kids played Chelsea off the park for the vast majority of the 90 minutes. Chelsea fans have been admitting as much all morning

2. Theo "more pressure than Rooney" Walcott scored a superb goal past one of the best keepers in the world

3. Two 19yr old kids in Denilson and Fabregas made Lampard, Essien and Ballack look ordinary

4. Denilson's shimmy past Lampard and ball down the right flank to send Aliadiere on his way midway through the first half

5. Diaby's second half run that got the Arsenal section singing "Vieira". This really was watching the clock turn back

5. Gary Lewin being the first attendee to John Terry

6. The Arsenal fans' exemplary ovation for Terry being stretchered off, in contrast to the Chelscum throwing all manner of objects at Cesc during corners

7. Whilst the players undoubtedly lost their heads in the melee towards the end, it shows that they care as much about the club as I do!

8. The value of the Arsenal side that turned out yesterday must be £50m more than before the Carling Cup started

9. OUR KIDS PLAYED Chelsea OFF THE PARK FOR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE 90 MINUTES. (Did I already say that one)

10. Wenger's legacy is one that will live on for years and years after he has left the club. I don't care how much criticism there is out there for not taking chances, for red mist descending, for indiscipline throughout the ranks. The man has achieved more for Arsenal Football Club than anyone since Herbert Chapman.

Have it.

Mate he wasn't pelting us he just threw it on the floor. Fabregas is a disgrace, Chelsea fans wanted to let him no that.

Who does he think he is. Shame celery didn't hit him

So he had a quiet game against Chelsea. Some of the best players on the planet have struggled to play well against Chelsea. Aliadière was class throughout the tournament - note how he ripped Liverpool apart with 4 assists & a well taken goal. Then recently coming on against Bolton in the F.A Cup to run half the pitch skinning 4 Bolton players & coolly slotting the ball through for Ljungberg to win it.



I'd say that if a foot went near somebody's head the Ref would blow for a freekick against him.

But this incident was different for me & would never result in a penalty unless the Ref was paid to give it. As far as I can see, Terry's head went below a standing person's head level - Terry was horizontal, had he been vertical and Diaby kicks him in the face, then it's a stonewall foul. Diaby's foot was nowhere near the level of his own head & he's about the same height as Terry, but Terry went for the ball which was around the midriff of Diaby & they clashed in a 50/50.

Terry threw himself into the clash bravely and his momentum meant that he went through the ball whilst Diaby was leaning back gaining no momentum in his kick. Terry's momentum made sure that the ball went towards the Arsenal goal but because of Diaby's contact with the ball it was diverted away from goal.

The ball was there to be one. Neither player won it cleanly and Terry's head was below a standing man's head level, therefore his problem. It was an unfortunate clash though, you cannot blame Diaby.

If it was a penalty, the Ref would have given it. If he had of missed it, Chelsea wouldn't have, Terry wouldn't have and the Media wouldn't have.

And the ref is a copper bloody typical

Means nothing now though

Yes it does. It means Wenger won't sell him, whilst his price value will grow and his chances of getting in the First team will grow.

Plus we put SIX past you at Anfield and our kids also knocked out the Spurs. Aliadière was key - so it all means a lot, in my humble view.