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Means nothing now though Wink


Yes it does. It means Wenger won't sell him, whilst his price value will grow and his chances of getting in the First team will grow.

Plus we put SIX past you at Anfield and our kids also knocked out the Spurs. Aliadière was key - so it all means a lot, in my humble view. Smile


Poor selections were the key to it Aliadière having a good game against us. He'll be gone in the summer anyway...

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Everyone said he was going in January. Wenger said he wants to keep him. Smile

And Aliadière destroyed Liverpool. With many of your star players on the pitch & some recent Champions League winners. Including Stevie Wonderboy. Smile

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I'd say that if a foot went near somebody's head the Ref would blow for a freekick against him.

But this incident was different for me & would never result in a penalty unless the Ref was paid to give it. As far as I can see, Terry's head went below a standing person's head level - Terry was horizontal, had he been vertical and Diaby kicks him in the face, then it's a stonewall foul. Diaby's foot was nowhere near the level of his own head & he's about the same height as Terry, but Terry went for the ball which was around the midriff of Diaby & they clashed in a 50/50.

Terry threw himself into the clash bravely and his momentum meant that he went through the ball whilst Diaby was leaning back gaining no momentum in his kick. Terry's momentum made sure that the ball went towards the Arsenal goal but because of Diaby's contact with the ball it was diverted away from goal.

The ball was there to be one. Neither player won it cleanly and Terry's head was below a standing man's head level, therefore his problem. It was an unfortunate clash though, you cannot blame Diaby.

If it was a penalty, the Ref would have given it. If he had of missed it, Chelsea wouldn't have, Terry wouldn't have and the Media wouldn't have.


Whatever. Diaby got the man before he got the ball. Doesn't matter about angles, Diaby's intent, standing man's height or any of the rest of it. If you get the man before the ball, it is a foul. Hence, the referee would have totally been within his rights to give the penalty.

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If that's your opinion, then fine.

But he didn't give it so it wasn't & never will be a penalty. Smile

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Arsenal and Chelsea are braced for Football Association action after the Carling Cup final ended in a brawl.
The Gunners had Kolo Toure and EmManUel Adebayor sent off, while Chelsea's Mikel Jon Obi also saw red.

Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger and Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho both ran on to the pitch to try to calm the players.

Wenger said: "I am sure the players will be punished. Will it be once or twice? With the FA you always have a good chance to worry."


Laughing Wenger having a little dig at the FA there?

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The brawl began when Toure was dragged back by Mikel, prompting an angry reaction from the Arsenal defender.

In the ensuing melee, EmManUel Eboue clashed with Wayne Bridge, leaving the Chelsea left-back on the ground.

After consulting with his assistant, Webb showed red cards to Mikel, Toure and Adebayor and cautioned Frank Lampard and Cesc Fabregas.

The game was further delayed when a protesting Adebayor had to be dragged from the pitch by Arsenal physio Gary Lewin.

Ivory Coast international Toure said: "I apologise for this moment, and I regret my actions.

"Chelsea were winning and were starting to waste time, and I was not happy with that, which is why I went to Mikel and had some words with him.

"Then Lampard came in and maybe made the thing bigger than it was, but that is part of football."

Gunners striker Adebayor said: "My reaction after the card did not mean I wanted to hit the referee - I just wanted to know why he gave me the red card.

"I do not think I did anything wrong."


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Mourinho said the incidents were disappointing but understandable.

"Sometimes mature people lose control of their emotions," he said.

"You cannot kill a player because something happened. If Mikel did something wrong, it is not my job to kill him, it is my job to educate him."

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And Tez, according to the BBC Aliadière got a better player rating than Terry, Bridge, Makélélé, Lampard, Ballack, Shevchenko, Mikel, Kalou, Eboué, Adebayor, Hleb, Senderos, Touré, Hoyte and Almunia.

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I don't think it was a pen.Diaby is a good pro from what ive seen of him. JT just threw himself at the ball and Diaby tried to clear it. Never a pen in my eyes. Good to see some Arsenal players looking concerned thought that was good of them.
The Scary thing is i no Terry would do it again he's that sort of player. Thats why he is so respected.
Fabregas though came out of the game looking bad along with Eboue. Eboue is a dirty player he is like an outfield Jen Lehman.

But i feel sorry for Diaby. Thought he played really well

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And Tez, according to the BBC Aliadière got a better player rating than Terry, Bridge, Makélélé, Lampard, Ballack, Shevchenko, Mikel, Kalou, Eboué, Adebayor, Hleb, Senderos, Touré, Hoyte and Almunia.

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The only one im surprised about there is Lampard, The others were pretty poor, came off the bench or went off. Senderos must have got the lowest rating? He couldnt handle Drogba.

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axe man i am suprised at you.

you are saying aliadiere played well because the BBC says so? he was poor and there is no escaping that. gave the ball away all too often and never looked the slightest bit dangerous when attacking.

and the terry incident wasnt a foul and backing that up with the fact a penalty was not given? come on how reliable is that? the ref didnt give it so its not a penalty? oh right because the refs always get decisions spot on dont they. i think it could have gone either way. had that incident occured in the carling cup third round against someone like wigan the penalty probably would have been given and im sure different refs would have different views on it. nobody has mentioned it in the media because the game has been won by Chelsea so it does not matter. do you think mourinho would not mention it if they lost? of course not but they won so the primary concern is terry himself. he is ok, they won the game so why blight the victory by unneccesarily moaning about the ref?

on a seperate note i would be ashamed of myself if i was wayne bridge. what a complete and utter embarrassing little tart he is.

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Why Steely what did Bridge do wrong?

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Yeah, you tell him, Steely!!!

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Why Steely what did Bridge do wrong?


He got thumped, then realised he had been thumped, looked around and then went down and stayed down.

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went down ilke a sack of sh*t from what has to be one of the most feeble punches ever seen. didnt even connect properly and skimmed his head! there was a mass brawl and instead of helping his team mates he is laying on the floor like a b*tch

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axe man i am suprised at you.

you are saying aliadiere played well because the BBC says so? he was poor and there is no escaping that. gave the ball away all too often and never looked the slightest bit dangerous when attacking.


Go.. tell me, where did I say this?

I didn't watch the game yesterday - I've already stated this. And nowhere have I said that Aliadière played well. The BBC didn't say anything about him, they just rated him higher than all those players so he must have done something.

I think he's a good player & doesn't deserve to be slated for a single performance against such a strong Chelsea team.

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Steely Still getting punched is quite outtagious behaviour from a pro, I would say if sum1 got punched on the footie field then maybe they are intitled to go down.

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J-Axe, you didn't watch your team in a cup final?

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I spent most of the weekend in the hospital.

I haven't missed a game this season bar 2 Premiership games due to being away. And that's including all Carling Cup games. Whilst I've watched about three quarters of the Reserves games. Where the likes of Walcott, Adebayor & Aliadière have been destroying teams. Except when we met Reading. Smile

Trust me. I was depressed being not able to watch the Cup final.

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J-Axe prob best you didn't watch it or you may have been disgusted in your team

Hope your ok now buddie

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darn JT out again. i hope he recouvers fast.

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some people cant - as an Arsenal fan i was quite lucky due to the fact i was supposed to be working 14:30-22:00 and would have missed it, but one of the kids i look after wanted to go the pub and watch it so i was able to see it. Some people dont have the chance to drop everything for a football match - there are other things in life

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J-Axe prob best you didn't watch it or you may have been disgusted in your team

Hope your ok now buddie


Yeah, I'm cool - was having another op on my ankle.

I listened to the game on the radio though and it sounded depressing, well near the end. Before the ruckass, it sounded like a smashing tie.

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Was a great game. had everything including the Controversey whcih was a shame but help male the game what it was. Troare for you impressed me also 1 of the better games Theo had

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Seeing Theo's goal on the highlights, it was impressive. About time he did something because he's been absolutely abysmal for the past few weeks. The shoulder injury did really knock him for six & now he's preparing for surgery on it.

Hopefully he comes good.

As biased as people believe I am, I could never see past a Chelsea win. I was shocked when we knocked out Everton & Spurs, not including the massive win over Liverpool. But Chelsea in a final was always going to be a foregone conclusion.

I think I got it absolutely spot on in my first post in this thread. Smile

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i think walcott was far from impressive again. it was a well taken goal to be fair to him but he just seems to me to be a slightly less impressive aaron lennon. i dont think he will ever fulfill the potential or hype the media have given him which is a shame because he is probably feeling the pressure and needs to be left alone to get on with it.

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axe man i am suprised at you.

you are saying aliadiere played well because the BBC says so? he was poor and there is no escaping that. gave the ball away all too often and never looked the slightest bit dangerous when attacking.


Go.. tell me, where did I say this?

I didn't watch the game yesterday - I've already stated this. And nowhere have I said that Aliadière played well. The BBC didn't say anything about him, they just rated him higher than all those players so he must have done something.

I think he's a good player & doesn't deserve to be slated for a single performance against such a strong Chelsea team.


i didnt mean you are saying that, i was asking, hence the question mark

i am not slating him for a one off performance. it is over a number of years rom my own personal view of him. i would never in a million years go by any media ratings of a players performance so i think you should take that with a pinch of salt.

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