It was nothing personal, mate. And we do agree on a few things

I always thought that a first teamer is a player who would normally play in the first team. Obviously you define it differently. Fair enough.

i remember reading how the beast was ready to roar in cardiff....little did i know that roaring was completely disapperaing. i like baptista but his loan wont get picked up, he hasnt done much this season to deserve the permanent move

i think the problem today is that with so many games to play clubs have to rotate more and more , the top clubs therefore do have many players who are in the first team ..maybe not week in week out , but enough to make them a first team player .
Any matches in the first team count in my book , not just the Premiership ..

Arsenal have 32 players currently in the first team squad , maybe half play regularly in the first team ...Fa Cup , Carling Cup , Champions League, Premiership...etc

Just a side note, I'm pretty sure I have said in the past that sendarous is pants, but not many people accepted that and especially not Arsenal fans (why would they, oh that’s right they are now), but now it is clear for everyone to see how horrendous he is as a player and even worse as a defender.

Senderos isn't "horrendous" or "pants".

He is simply limited as a footballer. He lacks pace & good decision making, which helps good & confident Strikers with taking him on.

Senderos wasn't all to blame the other night, I've said that. But he has no pace and he IS NOT a Right Back and he will NEVER match McCarthy for pace. But aerially he's great, he's a brave player and he works really hard. He's also very strong in the tackle and knows how to put his foot through a ball which can be great at certain times.

He will improve, he will hold his place in the Swiss National team and he will be picked for Arsenal again & again. He makes mistakes, but people forget the games when he has been excellent - like throughout the Champions League last season.

you can not be serious

he is an absolute liability in the air. that is his main weakness IMO

but is he `pants` Steely ...that is the major point here ...

haha being as i have never used such a word in my life i would say no. just that he is bog standard

Senderos is great in the air. Argue all you like, but from what I've seen - Swiss Tony is quality aerially.

Any Gooner and most football fans I've talked to have agreed.

the only swiss tony i know is the seedy car salesman from The Fast Show so i have no idea who you mean sorry

Would you believe me if I told you I had a video of Senderos' brother singing 'Come on you Spurs'?

Probably.

Is it on youtube.com?

hold the back page

Maybe we could sell Senderos to Spurs?

Yep, arent they all.

But chat to the guys who made it on Spurs forum, they thought it was hilarious at the time.
(they were well [beep!])

There's a video on youtube.com of Denílson, Baptista & Gilberto all singing Brazilian tunes with the Beast & Gilberto lending some banjo riffs whilst Denílson did some dancing.

Funny stuff.

The Beast is a good singer - such a mellow voice for a tank.