Arsenal V Spurs in The Carling Cup from Football.co.uk

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:10 pm

Pokerkings01 wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

specnur wrote:

I think the adebayor/Bendtner incident is none of your business really .Obviously something sparked adebayor off and if Bendtner had the gall to complain to adebayor about anything after scoring an own goal and basically doing nothing the entire game then he had it coming.Here's a a kid who scores one goal and starts complaining about playing time and asking for a move,so it's obvious the kid has issues
about his own abilities.So F*ck him.

By thew ay Arsenal have lost before this season,at home to a worse team so all the talk about bad loosers is trash and you all know it.

i disagree wholeheartedly with this point.

how can you say its 'none of your business'!? it was on Live TV in front of millions of people! of course its our business. if it went on in the changing room or some other private area then any talk of it would be hearsay and speculation. the fact is we all see it and as such will discuss it! you condemn teams for playing 'rugby-like' football and then in the same breath almost suggest it is ok for a professional footballer and grown man to headbut a team mate!? warped logic methinks.

ever since wenger took over there has been countless disciplinary incidents that only seem to increase in regularity over the years, its not even just when they lose anymore. they are simply undisciplined spoilt little chavs led by a man who blames all and sundry for his teams faults

With that I would just like to add that if you actually look into this Arsenal have had one of the best disciplinary records in the Prem over the last few years.

Now run along with your tail between your legs while you investigate that.

In the meantime of course our younger players might be a little bit less disciplined to the senior ones because they are still learning the game. Shocked

im talking about club discipline, from top to bottom. whingeing, bitching, fighting, punching, headbutting, spitting, complaining, blaming others, outspoken attacks, trying to get players sent off, shouting in peoples faces, ridiculing people when they miss opportunities, players rubbishing the club in the press.

my 'tail' shall remain firmly where it is (or is meant to be).

your second point is a complete cop out. is youth football littered with ill discipline? quite the opposite, youth football is among the most sporting you will find, more sporting than even friendlies. how old are players like Adebayor, Eboue, Toure, Cole (in his Arsenal days of course), Keown, Vieira to name but a few. they were among the worst in some of the problems i pointed out above.

Pokerkings01 · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:14 pm

J-Axe wrote:

Big Jono wrote:

^^ Nice one Flipper, I think its funny how after all Wengers posturing about playing te reserves he bottled it and included Gallas, Fabregas, Adebayor, Eduardo, Gilberto etc and they still got thrashed.

I mean he can play whoever he wants but today it wouldnt have mattered, Spurs were unstoppable. In that state that high level sportsmen sometimes refer to as 'the zone'

I don't want to make a deal of it, or a debate about the game as we were rightly hammered on the night.

But nobody expected that result and Wenger hardly bottled it. He put in Gallas because Senderos, Djourou, Tour� and Song were all injured or in Ghana They are the centre backs. That's why our third choice right back [if you consider Ebou� as our second strongest behind Sagna] was playing alongside Gallas in the middle.

Wenger always tends to use a First team player or two in these sort of ties. But he started with three in Hleb, Sagna and Gallas.

- Gallas started as we had nobody else [as explained above].
- Sagna started as Hoyte [the fullback] started at centre back and Diarra left for Pompey, whilst Ebou� is in Ghana - who else could have played right back?
- Hleb started because again, we didn't have Ebou� and Walcott was playing striker.

Cesc came into the game because Den�lson went off injured, so Wenger hardly stuck him in because he "bottled it". Adebayor and Eduardo came on later in the game when the deed was done really. We were hammered and Spurs had the game wrapped up really. He hardly "bottled it" with bringing them on.

I totally bow down to the Spurs performance and admit that we were absolutely tripe - but Wenger did not bottle it by starting those three First XI players.

As for Gilberto, he is a Reserve. Cesc and Flamini are the First XI central Midfielders, whilst Den�lson and Diaby are on par with Gilberto in terms of squad status now really - seeing as Gilberto has been awful this season and the two youngsters have basically surpassed him.

Wenger has a right to be proud of his backup, Reserve and youth players who have taken part in this competition. In the past two seasons we've reached a final and a semi-final, whilst we have mostly fielded non-First team players and it's been a good learning experience for all of them. Some have grown and some have shown their inability to make the step up. Getting hammered in that manner will also be a hard but very good lesson for all the players as well, so there are some positives if only a couple.

Spurs can be proud of their performance and their campaign. I can understand why all the Yids are chuffed and gloating, as it'd be the exact same the other way around. But I can't stand it when the gloating turns into b-sh*tting. Wenger fielded a fair selection out of what he had available - by giving all the available youngsters their chance in a big game - he didn't bottle it.

This has to be the most honest post in this thread. Completely agree with everything J-Axe has said here.

Credit to Spurs they derserved their win and derserve the final place as we we're completely outplayed. Congratulations.... It's just funny that there's not even one Spurs fan that can admit it was a weaker side that played over the 2 legs!? The side that played last night is not the same side that is sitting joint top of the Prem at the moment and that's the fact here as already mentioned.

And as for talk that it will effect our league form? No because the senior team are still yet to be beaten since Boro.

And what Big Jono is talking about our players being bought for more than the Spurs team? You do know that Spurs are the 5th most spending club or something? in Europe don't you?

Pokerkings01 · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:19 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

Pokerkings01 wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

specnur wrote:

I think the adebayor/Bendtner incident is none of your business really .Obviously something sparked adebayor off and if Bendtner had the gall to complain to adebayor about anything after scoring an own goal and basically doing nothing the entire game then he had it coming.Here's a a kid who scores one goal and starts complaining about playing time and asking for a move,so it's obvious the kid has issues
about his own abilities.So F*ck him.

By thew ay Arsenal have lost before this season,at home to a worse team so all the talk about bad loosers is trash and you all know it.

i disagree wholeheartedly with this point.

how can you say its 'none of your business'!? it was on Live TV in front of millions of people! of course its our business. if it went on in the changing room or some other private area then any talk of it would be hearsay and speculation. the fact is we all see it and as such will discuss it! you condemn teams for playing 'rugby-like' football and then in the same breath almost suggest it is ok for a professional footballer and grown man to headbut a team mate!? warped logic methinks.

ever since wenger took over there has been countless disciplinary incidents that only seem to increase in regularity over the years, its not even just when they lose anymore. they are simply undisciplined spoilt little chavs led by a man who blames all and sundry for his teams faults

With that I would just like to add that if you actually look into this Arsenal have had one of the best disciplinary records in the Prem over the last few years.

Now run along with your tail between your legs while you investigate that.

In the meantime of course our younger players might be a little bit less disciplined to the senior ones because they are still learning the game. Shocked

im talking about club discipline, from top to bottom. whingeing, bitching, fighting, punching, headbutting, spitting, complaining, blaming others, outspoken attacks, trying to get players sent off, shouting in peoples faces, ridiculing people when they miss opportunities, players rubbishing the club in the press.

my 'tail' shall remain firmly where it is (or is meant to be).

your second point is a complete cop out. is youth football littered with ill discipline? quite the opposite, youth football is among the most sporting you will find, more sporting than even friendlies. how old are players like Adebayor, Eboue, Toure, Cole (in his Arsenal days of course), Keown, Vieira to name but a few. they were among the worst in some of the problems i pointed out above.

Competitiveness Wink

And this was when these players played their best ever football that was a joy to watch!

You can't make a Omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Big Jono · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:40 pm

papa5murf wrote:

spurmeon wrote:

But never Have Arsenal beaten us as well as we beat them Last night! .

You might want to go do some research on that. Cause you're definitely not right on it. Wink

Both clubs have smashed the other in the past.

Yes including a 5-0 beating we gave you a while back Cool

But seriously Arsenal, you should be careful. Losses like these can derail your season, especially with the way it ended between your players.

Confidence dips a bit, Ade picks up a ban, Bendter starts sulking, Gallas goes back to his old dickhead self..... before you know it youre out of all the cups and United are streaking ahead in the league Wink

Ha just messing with ya's, youll be fine. Win, win for me this weekend tho id love to see Newcastle get smashed but if its the other way round I could have a laugh too.

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:44 pm

Pokerkings01 wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

Pokerkings01 wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

specnur wrote:

I think the adebayor/Bendtner incident is none of your business really .Obviously something sparked adebayor off and if Bendtner had the gall to complain to adebayor about anything after scoring an own goal and basically doing nothing the entire game then he had it coming.Here's a a kid who scores one goal and starts complaining about playing time and asking for a move,so it's obvious the kid has issues
about his own abilities.So F*ck him.

By thew ay Arsenal have lost before this season,at home to a worse team so all the talk about bad loosers is trash and you all know it.

i disagree wholeheartedly with this point.

how can you say its 'none of your business'!? it was on Live TV in front of millions of people! of course its our business. if it went on in the changing room or some other private area then any talk of it would be hearsay and speculation. the fact is we all see it and as such will discuss it! you condemn teams for playing 'rugby-like' football and then in the same breath almost suggest it is ok for a professional footballer and grown man to headbut a team mate!? warped logic methinks.

ever since wenger took over there has been countless disciplinary incidents that only seem to increase in regularity over the years, its not even just when they lose anymore. they are simply undisciplined spoilt little chavs led by a man who blames all and sundry for his teams faults

With that I would just like to add that if you actually look into this Arsenal have had one of the best disciplinary records in the Prem over the last few years.

Now run along with your tail between your legs while you investigate that.

In the meantime of course our younger players might be a little bit less disciplined to the senior ones because they are still learning the game. Shocked

im talking about club discipline, from top to bottom. whingeing, bitching, fighting, punching, headbutting, spitting, complaining, blaming others, outspoken attacks, trying to get players sent off, shouting in peoples faces, ridiculing people when they miss opportunities, players rubbishing the club in the press.

my 'tail' shall remain firmly where it is (or is meant to be).

your second point is a complete cop out. is youth football littered with ill discipline? quite the opposite, youth football is among the most sporting you will find, more sporting than even friendlies. how old are players like Adebayor, Eboue, Toure, Cole (in his Arsenal days of course), Keown, Vieira to name but a few. they were among the worst in some of the problems i pointed out above.

Competitiveness Wink

And this was when these players played their best ever football that was a joy to watch!

You can't make a Omelette without breaking a few eggs.

now you're just on a wind up

papa5murf · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:51 pm

Big Jono wrote:

Yes including a 5-0 beating we gave you a while back Cool

Yes, and there's been a few times when we gave you a 5-0 beating also. And if my memory serves me right, we gave you guys a thrashing by the score of 6-0 once. Which to my knowledge is the most lopsided match-up between the two clubs. Unfortunately, I wasn't even born or even thought about at that time. Laughing

spurmeon · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:25 pm

Despite the Arsenal fans thinking last night was about them think it was about us more!

after what happened to jol after our poor start to the season we have needed something to jel our squad and get the fans behind our management like we were behind jol ! Ramos has had an uphill struggle IMO to win over all the fans ... Until last night ... now were starting to believe again ! were off to a cup final and the squad looks more united than at any time this season ! smiles on the fans ,squad and management team spoke more than any reports in any papers today . COYS !

btw beating Arsenal was just the icing on the cake . magic!

spurmeon · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:27 pm

I cant remember Arsenal beating us by more than 3 goals in any match in recent history ...
Laughing

Pokerkings01 · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:41 pm

spurmeon wrote:

I cant remember Arsenal beating us by more than 3 goals in any match in recent history ...
Laughing

No? but can you remember not being able to beat us in 21 games? since 1999?

That's better than any scoreline!! Laughing

Have it!!

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 10:55 pm

Pokerkings01 wrote:

Have it!!

spurmeon · Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 11:32 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

Pokerkings01 wrote:

Have it!!

5-1 take that Laughing

soxguy15 · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:02 am

uhhh once evry decade we lose, and in a second tier cup competition...put ur pants back on Spurs fans. it is only a testament to gap in these two teams that this cup is allllll you have this season while it was our last priority. take it. did we play shitty yes, well done. in my opinion, as soon as diarra left the carling cup squad we werent gonna win it anyways.

Big Jono · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:26 am

soxguy15 wrote:

uhhh once evry decade we lose, and in a second tier cup competition...put ur pants back on Spurs fans. it is only a testament to gap in these two teams that this cup is allllll you have this season while it was our last priority. take it. did we play shitty yes, well done. in my opinion, as soon as diarra left the carling cup squad we werent gonna win it anyways.

Just a new fan are we? Used to be a lot more often than that. Dont count out it happening more often now too, considering we have outplayed you several times in the last few seasons, including twice already this season before this game.

papa5murf wrote:

Big Jono wrote:

Yes including a 5-0 beating we gave you a while back Cool

Yes, and there's been a few times when we gave you a 5-0 beating also. And if my memory serves me right, we gave you guys a thrashing by the score of 6-0 once. Which to my knowledge is the most lopsided match-up between the two clubs. Unfortunately, I wasn't even born or even thought about at that time. Laughing

I was 2 years old when we beat you 5-0 Cool

Boris · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:10 am

What year was that Jono?

Big Jono · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:56 am

1983

spurmeon · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:09 am

The Tottenham Hotspur sporting director, Damien Comolli, issued an apology to Ars�ne Wenger in the wake of Tuesday's 5-1 victory over Arsenal after the visiting manager's post-match television interviews were interrupted by a trio of home players bursting into the room and spraying champagne.

Wenger was the innocent victim of what sources at Spurs admitted were "players' high jinks" as Jermain Defoe and two team-mates emerged from the celebrations in the home dressing room and into the White Hart Lane interview area, spraying bubbly as they went. Razz

Big Jono · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:20 am

Haha, apparently they thought they were soaking Gus Pyet but didnt realise their television was on a time delay so Gus had moved on and Wenger was standing in his place Laughing

Steely Hill · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 11:29 am

wenger never got a drop on him, fact. the Spurs players soiled themselves

Big Jono · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:05 pm

Yea apparently one of the interviewers was soaked too haha

mont` · Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:04 pm

soxguy15 wrote:

uhhh once evry decade we lose, and in a second tier cup competition...put ur pants back on Spurs fans. it is only a testament to gap in these two teams that this cup is allllll you have this season while it was our last priority. take it. did we play shitty yes, well done. in my opinion, as soon as diarra left the carling cup squad we werent gonna win it anyways.

Haha, what a joke. Smile

Trust me, the Carling Cup is not all we have this season - far from it. We're still in both the FA and UEFA Cups and although our chances of a top 4 finish in the league have long since gone out of the window, the league is still important to us as well.
The success of a season for any particular club is only relative to their potential and their realistic ambitions. Spurs fans fully understand this and we knew before the season began that winning the league was out of the question, but that certainly doesn't mean that we can't enjoy a successful season. In fact, apart from our league form in the early part of the season, we're actually doing pretty well.

Make ridiculous statements if it makes you feel better; at the end of the day you lost the match and should accept it more graciously. Very Happy

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