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Grass Roots

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Yeah I would be interested in that strass! Cheers for all the information. Do all your coaching hours come from going around schools? Also, if thats the case what do you do in the holidays when the kids are off school? Do you run weeks long coaching camps?

Cheers

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I would be interested.. but I'm only 16 and unexperienced unfortunately..

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Hi Buckard. The bulk of the hours is spent going in and out of schools. on top of that i am involved with coaching 1 or 2 teams and it is paid work. Also i do coach on a one on one basis aswell. My formula is quite simple and can see very good returns financially for anyone willing to put in a reasonable amount of effort and passion. Ill quite gladly give advice out on here but i dont want to go into too much detail with regards to franchising. However, i will be willing to discuss that if you pm me then we can exchange numbers and discuss things a little easier. By the way, how old are you?

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mint911 wrote:
I would be interested.. but I'm only 16 and unexperienced unfortunately..

Unfortunately Mint being 16 is a big problem, more so than the lack of experience. In effect you would be running a business and the people you would have to negotiate and deal with would most definitely call into question your ability to do a job on account of age. I have an apprentice who is nearly 18 and whilst i know he can do a good job for me hes not at a stage where i could leave him to run my business. Thats not a no never to you. Its more a get some qualifications and some life experience behind you and we can see what happens.

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strass71 wrote:
mint911 wrote:
I would be interested.. but I'm only 16 and unexperienced unfortunately..

Unfortunately Mint being 16 is a big problem, more so than the lack of experience. In effect you would be running a business and the people you would have to negotiate and deal with would most definitely call into question your ability to do a job on account of age. I have an apprentice who is nearly 18 and whilst i know he can do a good job for me hes not at a stage where i could leave him to run my business. Thats not a no never to you. Its more a get some qualifications and some life experience behind you and we can see what happens.

Yeah that's fair enough mate. I understand and I've got years ahead of me anyway so there's no rush. Good luck with your business.

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Joined: 25 Nov 2006
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Strass, what would the franchise cost be, and percentage you would take each year?

I'm 24, and have worked as assistant in franchises before, coached 8 years, doing L3 this year.

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ian. wrote:
Strass, what would the franchise cost be, and percentage you would take each year?

I'm 24, and have worked as assistant in franchises before, coached 8 years, doing L3 this year.

If your still interested pm me

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Strass never heard of anyone like yourself. Either made up or your an elite coach

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G_Man wrote:
Strass never heard of anyone like yourself. Either made up or your an elite coach

Tell you what why dont you come to my town see for yourself. Im not a wealthy man but i make a very good living doing what i do. Ive left you a post elsewhere that says if you come here and its false what im saying then i will pay your expenses for a wasted trip. You can then tell everyone on this forum what a fake i am. If i was on here telling you that i make millions of pounds doing what i do then the cynicism would be more understandable. However what ive said is that i make a good living doing what i do and its something that is franchisable elsewhere. Im good at what i do as far as elite coach id have to say no because i dont coach to an elite level, however i am a good coach who spotted a business opportunity and took it and made a success from it nothing more nothing less.

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well said Strass. I believe you and I dont think your fake. I value your input and your advice highly as you are obviously well experienced and successful. Young coaches like myself look up to people like you, you are an inspiration to us all.

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Cheers westbrom

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strass71 wrote:
G_Man wrote:
Strass never heard of anyone like yourself. Either made up or your an elite coach

Tell you what why dont you come to my town see for yourself. Im not a wealthy man but i make a very good living doing what i do. Ive left you a post elsewhere that says if you come here and its false what im saying then i will pay your expenses for a wasted trip. You can then tell everyone on this forum what a fake i am. If i was on here telling you that i make millions of pounds doing what i do then the cynicism would be more understandable. However what ive said is that i make a good living doing what i do and its something that is franchisable elsewhere. Im good at what i do as far as elite coach id have to say no because i dont coach to an elite level, however i am a good coach who spotted a business opportunity and took it and made a success from it nothing more nothing less.


Like i said a good coach so please dont be mad. Be happy life is to short.

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Laughing

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Why do you think he is made up? and why have you never heard of anyone like him? He gives good answers for sure.

Without sounding nasty, bit rich coming from someone who came on here instantly assuming people would want his advice!

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I.m still trying to come to terms with you recieving 50 pounds for 2 hours and paying someone 20 pounds to do it for you.To me that doesn,t seem fair.

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colinbell wrote:
I.m still trying to come to terms with you recieving 50 pounds for 2 hours and paying someone 20 pounds to do it for you.To me that doesn,t seem fair.

My God colin. how do you think business works. Ive got to say im surprised at that comment.

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Colin. British Gas just turned over a £500m profit yesterday. None of this is going to the lads on the bottom rung.
Newcastle Arena makes £1000 per barman on a busy night, and pays the barman £24.

If Strass' assistant wanted to earn that £50 in 2 hours, he would have to set up the business, pay overheads, struggle in the early months/years, do numerous free weeks, support the business with loans or other jobs, before finally getting somewhere near to it.
I worked as an assistant before. If classes were full, the 'company' would bring in £45 per hour, of which I'd get £10. If I did a birthday party, the 'company' would get £60 for 90 minutes, of which I'd get £20.

It doesn't seem fair until you realise it's their business.

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Ian
I think you are really strass posting under a different name.!!
Just a little business hint for you "look after your workers and they,ll look after you"
I bet Strass/Ian has a high staff turn over!!

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I'm not him.

Look after your workers and they'll look after you? Anyone who is getting paid £10 per hour(!) to coach football should be VERY happy.

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ian. wrote:
I'm not him.

Look after your workers and they'll look after you? Anyone who is getting paid £10 per hour(!) to coach football should be VERY happy.

Thanks for that Ian. Im still recovering from the shock of colin's comment. I wonder if he knows just how many people would welcome £10 an hour. I really cant believe he said it. Thankyou for pointing out a few things to him. Just to add some points for colin. Its my business that i worked damned hard to make it work. I go out and get the work, its my insurance and liabilities that cover their work and its me that pays the cost of hiring facilities where applicable. Maybe colin should take a look at how many multi pound companies are out there that dont offer their staff much more than minimum wage. Im really still reeling from the comment ive never heard anything like. Infact im interested to know how much colin thinks i should pay.

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Strass its simple what we do get a rate for the job.Deduct pro rata the expenses and then pay 60% to the coach and we keep 40% Cos the coach is doing the work!!

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colinbell wrote:
Strass its simple what we do get a rate for the job.Deduct pro rata the expenses and then pay 60% to the coach and we keep 40% Cos the coach is doing the work!!

All business that exist to make a profit work on basic principals. Some im sure might even adopt your 60 - 40 split in favour of the coach. Im sure that would maybe be acceptable if i were a big company and had 100 coaches on roll working at the same time, However im not and that model simply doesnt work for me. In reply to high turnover of staff please dont insult my intelligence. The people that work for me enjoy extensive support, training, advice and very good conditions of work. Consequently they want to work for me and are happy in their jobs and certainly dont grumble about at earning £10 per hour. Ive had people coming to me offering to work for free to gain experience and knowledge and in the hope that should an opportunity arise that i would consider them for it. However, i even pay those who offer to work for free as i dont exploit people. Let me finish on this note the easiest part of my job is coaching so i believe a 60 - 40 split in my favour is justified given that £10 per hour could hardly be classed as pittence.

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Strass
It never does any harm for some one some time to challenge/make you reflect on the way you do things.
Its your business you run it how you like.It was you who put it up for public scrutiny.I hope you and all the lads who work for you are successful and make a difference at grass roots level

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Colin

I dont mind a bit of scrutiny its just the way you make it sound like im ripping the people off who work for me and i assure you that is certainly not so. I wonder what the sles reps say that pick up £30,000 a year on target earnings and yet they have earned the company £200,000. Would you consider that fair. My take on it would be what i had to do to earn the 30,000 and was i being rewarded adequately for my efforts. I would not be expecting to be paid 120,000 which is what youre actually implying with your 60-40 split. Also i think my team do make a difference at grass roots sport and thats because of the feed back that we get from a number of sources. Id be very glad to know what it is you do and how you go about doing it and be more than willing to exchange ideas etc.

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