Holland have employed foreign managers in the past - a full 30 years before we did in fact!

Maybe we are the forward thinking ones, using the english bulldog and mixing a foreign idea. It worked until penalties for SVE, and it'll be a hard, stubborn man to bet against Capello.
Maybe these teams who are unsuccessful like us - Spain, Portugal, Germany, Argentina, Holland - should think about employing a foreign gaffer.

Ian
What are you talking about.Germany and Argentina as unsuccessful as us.Check your facts!! Holland world Cup finalists twice,Uero champions.
In the last 15 years name a foreigner who has managed the Dutch National Team!!
Strass I agree Rio Ferdinand is better but he was lucky cos he started off in midfield as a youth player and learnt to pass and play.However he,s not fulfilled his true potential due to his lifestyle as Alex Ferguson said the big challenge today at their level is not coaching the players but managing their lifestyle!!

Oh you are shortening the argument to the last 15 years then......well Holland haven't then no, they employed a Frenchman in the 70's.
Last 15 years...Germany won Euro 96, and Argentina's World Cup record? 2 quarter finals and 2 group stages. Holland have been similar to us recently, no World Cup in Korea, and no Euro win either.
So.

Holland knocked us Graham Taylor) out have you forgotten Germany knocked us out have you forgotten,Portugal knocked us out have you forgotten.Your talking about similar to us .We don,t want to be similar we want to be better!!!!.
Sure the the last 15 yrs how far do you want to go back to when USA beat us 1-0
If as you claim we,re,you,and the FA are developing such good players why don,t we win anything.How you can look at the Croatia match and defeend English football tells me everything

All i can say colin is that any brazilians reading this post must be glad that your english because the slating you would give them for not winning tournaments makse me quake to the core. It would be quite interesting though since they have the flair, the skill the invention, the players to win every tournament. But guess what? They dont and some of their games are very drab affairs indeed. Before you ask me which kind of football id like to see. The brazilian way but that said its more of the management than the players.

Colin - do you know the u17s World Cup score between Brazil and England.

I'd say the development and production of top players is there now.

Strass/Ian
If you really knew your football you,d know that winning under 17 world cups is no indication of player development in to the full game.
So are you saying Strass that we are producing Ronaldinios,Roberto Carloses,Ronaldos,Kakas in the same numbers or we play better football.
Ian concentrate on ballistic stretching!!

I never mentioned u17s world cup at all.

Colinbell/end

I'll never make a valid point with you around. Is beating a team at a youth age a good indicator of youth development?
Chip on shoulder, you seem to have one on both.

Got to say ian im going to add fuel to colins fire now as he already thinks we are one and the same. I agree with you Ian.

Colin you make some fair points but are way off the mark on others. Football at the business end is about success. Success on the field and off it. Clubs go about it as a business these days and rightly so as the money involved has attracted some big hitters. They are all looking to get an edge in the market place so why dont you take your revolutionary ideas to the clubs and youve got a few to choose from, prove to them that it works and is a better system than the ones they currently use that are implemented by some world renowned coaches. Then approach the FA and maybe they would follow your lead and enlist your help as an adviser to implement it at grass roots and into training courses and then maybe you too could get paid for coaching like me and not feel bad about it.

Hey Ian/Strass
Thats bad form using abuse no need for the bellend comment.However my son thought it was quite good!
Apologies Ian if I narked at you a bit I was out of order (forget the stretching comment) but as a young coach I only want to make you question and think.

Maybe he was narked because you not only dismiss his comments out of hand but assume that anyone who has a view different from your own is brainwashed by the FA. Oh and not to mention the fact that you assume Ian and I are one and the same. Also fair play to you for apologising to him.

of course you are not the same person thats why you,ve answered for Ian!!

i,m not anti establishment I,m anti poor coaching and poor coach education
I want to see England develop a style of play based on
high skill level with great individuals that kids want to copy
players because of their skill able to produce tactical cleverness
a playing style that has clever inter change and movement on and off the ball
a team that has defenders comfortable in 1 to 1 situations
that defend cleverly as a group
all players in all positions good on the ball
I WANT TO SEE OUR KIDS AS THE MOST SKILFULL IN THE PREMIERSHIP TEAMS
I WANT 75% PLAYERS IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE TO BE OUR KIDS

I might be right I might be wrong but have the FA ever laid down their playing philosophy NO they haven,t got one.So what are we producing for.Its like setting off on a journey but not knowing where you are going

How can you take money to coach kids when you don,t know what you are aiming at

Why would would either of us pretend to be the other. It really is quite a pathetic comment colin. There are forum rules about it and im sure that if indeed that was the case then the moderators would have noticed. But let me guess youre working on a level higher than them so thats why you have spotted it and they havent.

My aim is to provide a fun, structured and safe environment where children can play football with their peers regardless of ability levels. My job is to try and encourage the children to be the best that they can be and become well rounded sportsmen and women in the process understanding the concept of team sports. My remit does not involve trying to produce the next premiership star or England international. If that happens along the way then im happy to have played my part. Given the fact that i coach a range of sports and am employed by local authorities and eduational establishments as well as running my own courses and i dont advertise and have been running a business for 10 years - i may be wrong here colin, but i have a sneaky feeling that 1 or 2 people might just be very happy with the way i do things.

The thing here colin is my way works well for me. It may not suit others like yourself but such is life. I am not here criticizing or insulting other people because they have a different view to mine. You dont even know how i do things yet you claim i dont know what im doing. Because i dont join in or agree with youre wholesale criticism of the FA you suggest maybe thats because i run courses for them. No one here knows how you do things as all you say is that you run things "the opposite way to the FA"

Scrutiny is fine as long as its fair and backed up with evidence. 92 league managers, 92 different minds focussing on the same goal - to win a game. Sometimes games are won with attractive football and sometimes with are more direct style. The results are the same its just a matter of choice how you get there. This is often dictated by other factors like resources of the club, stlye of the manager, ability of the players.

Strass/Ian
I notice you didn,t/couldn,t give one answer about playing vision

Too often coaches hide behind the "fun" answer.Why can,t good coaching be fun!!
Is it fun standing in line waiting for a turn!!
You pontificate on here about working for local authorities as though sport is being well catered for by local authorities
Sport in England is in a mess
Course you,ll stick up for the status quo cos your making money out of it I dont blame you
But dont try and stick up for it
Sorry Strass you need to to take a good hard look from outside the box
I,m now expecting an answer from Ian

"Is it fun standing in line waiting for a turn!!"

That dosnt happen when we SFA coachs coach children/adults.

gman
My favourite players were Dennis Law,Kenny Dalglish,Jimmy Johnstone,Jim Baxter,John White Alan Gilzean,Charlie Cooke
Can you honestly say that the present crop of players that your system has produced are as good???