[beep!] you O Dogg, who the [beep!] would you have any idea if i watch Liverpool games?!

I watch most Liverpool games as matter of fact.

Moron.

Man, are you really that much of an idiot?

Do you not remember all the threads i made about Ronaldo getting a royal ass licking because of all the tricks, and Drogba actually being the better player last season despite the hype and attention surrounding Ronaldo?

I've moaned about the hype Ronaldo gets loads of times.

But the fact is, he has dug you out of the sh*t countless times, more than any other player in his position i can think of. I terms of goals and creating something out of nothing, he has done it more than anyone else on your team. By a long way.

As for Rooney being more important, and Evra having a better season. I don't understand how people can say Rooney is more important, because they've rarely had to to get by without Ronaldo. The guy just doesn't get injured! When he was banned for head butting they REALLY struggled though.

I don't think you would've been anywhere near the title last season without Ronaldo though. Whereas Rooney, plenty could've done what he did.

As for Evra. Well he is fantastic, and certainly has been more consistent than Ronaldo. I'm not going into this though, i don't have the time, but i will say Ronaldo job isn't to be consistent, he's a flare player. He does the magical things far more regularly than most players like him, so on that basis, he isn't that inconsistent. As for scoring, his is very, very, very consistent for someone in his position. Assists have dried up though.

kaka' last year has been the best, and no one can discuss it because milan won the CL thanks to him

for now Messi is the best, no doubt about it, the fake Ronaldo is only an arrogant moron who thinks to be a superstar, and against the big ones he usually plays like a chicken

So was Ronaldo in Gattuso's pocket in the 2 most important Man Utd games last season. And Kaká wasnt [beep!] at the final. He did had problems with Mascherano, but when Liverpool forgot about him for 1minute he settled the result putting Inzaghi in front of the goal. Thats what the best players do, not hide themselves like Ronaldo always do in the main games

These sort of discussions are so easy to manipulate to back up each indiivduals argument. For example, yes Kaka was quiet in the last champs league final, but ultimately assisted the two goals which won the cup for milan. However, people on here critisize Steven Gerrard for the same thing, saying he will be quiet in a game yet produces a piece of magic be that a great pass or a stunning goal, and he is labeled a one trick pony that cant dominate a game. I remember having this disucssion with a certian member on this forum, who i wont name. I said kaka was poor in the final. He argued that ultimately he made 2 important contributions which won them the game, this is true. Yet this same person will have a go at gerrard for being quiet in a game and making and still making an improtant contribution to the outcome of the match. Double standards.

Hi J-Axe

?? Didnt get that answer please alaburate a bit more! What does cricket as to do with what I was saying??!!

It was the CR7 link mate...

As for Sticky T - you have jumped on the bandwagon simple as that. As I said it continues week in week out. Ronaldo is very rarely the best player on the pitch, however the media cream over him, especially on Match of the Day - yet you say nothing. When the same happens with Rooney, you slate them.

Whether you made topics in the past slating Ronaldo or not is irrelevant. I am pointing out that you are clearly hypocritical....you hate Rooney and have pounce on the media whenever they go OTT with praising him, however the same happens with Ronaldo and you don't say a word. I find that highly amusing.

Now my little Spanish Grappling cage fighting beast - Liverpool are playing tomorrow night in an important European game against Inter Milan. It is on Sky Sports 2 at 7.30pm. Just thought you might want to know just incase you plan something else

I think it's generally accepted that the three star candidates for the title of best player in the world (from an attacking point of view) are Kaka, Messi and Ronaldo.

Personally, I would have either of the South Americans over Ronaldo for one clear reason: decision making.

Ronaldo plays for himself. Sure, he's brilliant at ghosting past defenders and creating space, but a lot of the time he shoots for goal instead of laying the ball off to the man who's free. Kaka and Messi play more the team - the decisions they make on the pitch are generally more correct than those that Ronaldo would make. Ronaldo is a world class player though, no doubt and deserves to be considered.

PS - Doggster: you've made several excellent and honest posts in this thread, and it's refreshing that even though you're a Man Utd fan you can see the reality

Ok United haven't lost a game when Rooney has played.. but the question is how many games would of United won if Ronaldo wasn't playing? People are crazy to even think Rooney is in the same class as Ronaldo right now in my opinion... considering Ronaldo isn't a striker he has scored twice as many as Rooney, that says it all.

Don't like it but ronaldo is the best player in the world

Well all it says is that Ronaldo is a much better finisher than Ronaldo, which is far from all.

Ok then fine but please don't tell me Rooney contributes more to a game than Ronaldo.. 90% of Uniteds play goes through him.. I think without him they would be lost most of the time.

You just made that stat up. Give me hard facts.
Yes he scores goals, but he does not contribute more than Rooney in my opinion.

I'm pretty sure thats also made up.

A wise man looks for answers to back up his theory....a fool just makes excuses to validate his opinion...

So Cyril, what do your feel are the attributes that the world player of the year should have? Ability to cheat his way into winning free kicks, ability to sulk when a referee doesn't feel sorry for him when he goes down, ability to play a game of football without getting a single hair out of place?

If that's your criteria then sure Cristiano Ronaldo would win it hands down....

Formost people it would be the stats that the rest of the world judge players by, you know silly little things like Work rate, passes completed, yards covered, passes intercepted....you know the silly little things that win teams games.

judge him on that sort of stuff and i doubt whether he will be in the top ten...

but let's face it, as we all know what is really important to ever supporter is how many stupid step overs a player can do....i guess Ronaldo must win player of the year then....

Please give me a break! Are you for real??! I think your britishness is taking control of your judgement! Ronney is too inconsistent and thats a hard fact it might be one hard to take but its no less of a fact!

You are a fool. Even people that hate him have to admit the facts. Do you want a hard fact:

KAKA Goal score ratio: 1 for every 4 games

CR7 Goal score ratio: nearly 1 goal every 2 games - 203 games 78 goals

Without counting with assists.

I am pretty sure someone posted a hard fact on here (o dogg maybe) that Ronaldo has only set up 3 goals for team mates this season.

And how can you say Rooney is inconsistant when Ronaldo can only perform agianst teams of a lesser standard than him? He is fantastic at destroying smaller teams but where is he against the best? Answer me that?

p.s goals does not always give a fair reflexion on things. For example i am pretty sure John Carew has more goals than Rooney this year, does that make him a better player? nope! Ronaldo's goal scoring form is remarkable but basing him as being the best via the goals he has scored does not show the whole picture.

I partly agree in what you say. True he only has 3 assists this year. Last year he had more assists than goals and he still managed to score 18+ goals. Its not his fault that Rooney doesnt have good positioning.
Regarding the other point you made about he only makes it against smaller teams. Reason behind that he is always targeted by 2 sometimes three defenders and look in the United team or even in the premier league and see who is the player more fauled in the premiership! Theres your answer mate.