Inter vs Liverpool in UEFA Champions League from Football.co.uk

Crabhead · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:18 pm

Ben91 wrote:

Your a c*ck.

My my, thats a bit strong. Rolling Eyes

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:20 pm

CFCBhoy wrote:

Italian football is a dying force. Long gone are the days where Juve, AC & co dominated the European scene. Italians showed they are not the superr power they used to be. Inter are walking away with the Serie A but when you look at their team, they are vastly overrated. Ibrahimovic, arguably their best player, has a pretty poor goal scoring record throughout his career and I read yesterday that he has 20 goals for Inter, 10 being penalties. Hardly a goal machine to strike fear into opponents, a la Torres.

I think Liverpool fans are looking into this far too much. They played Italys best team. No where near Europe's best though

It's funny how quickly people use Inter's performances against European compared to that of Italian teams to measure the quality of the league, but they NEVER EVER do the reverse with AC Milan.

If they did that, they would soon see that AC Milan have consistently struggled against most Serie A teams over the last two seasons, but last season beat all before them in the Champions League - including destroying Man Utd 3-0. Doesn't that indicate that Serie A is very strong? The team that has dominated Europe more than anyone in recent seasons have been outplayed in Serie A over the last two years.

Of course there are other factors that have a bearing on this, but no one takes them into account when they write off Inter do they? Even though they were so clear, they were about as obvious as a slap in the face.

But above all of that, there's the simple possibility that Inter just don't perform to their best in the Champions League. Wouldn't be the first team to underachieve in the Champions League. Look at Arsenal. For years they underachieved in the competition. Even the mighty undefeated Arsenal, but no one dismissed them and their achievements like they have done with inter - who's achievements last season were arguably greater than even that of the Arsenal side that went a season undefeated.

Inter are the opposite of Liverpool. Good in the league, poor in the Champions League.

Oh and as for Ibrahimovic, get your statistics right. He has not scored 10 penalties. You've been misinformed.

He does have ONLY 20 goals though... Rolling Eyes

Poor Zlatan, someone must've forgotten to give him his shooting boots.

He has 15 goals in 27 league games. Better than 1 in 2. And 5 goals in 8 Champions League games. Better than 1 in 2.

But anyone that has watched him would know how good he is. His goals tell half the story.

Johaldo8 · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:20 pm

Ben91 wrote:

You could argue though that it made things harder for us to score once Materazzi had been sent off. After that they clearly just decided to settle for a 0-0 and got everyone behind the ball... Had they had 11 men they wouldn't have done that - the game would've been more open and Torres had already shown he was getting the better of Materazzi anyway. Of course, there's a greater chance they could've scored as well.

You've countered your own point there - Inter had a greater chance of scoring with 11 men. And the away goal would have been crucial. But playing with 10 men, they virtually had no choice but to take a 0-0 back to San Siro. It ended the game as a fair contest - attack and defence of both teams. Instead, it was a case of Liverpool unlocking the Inter rearguard. One way traffic.

I still don't think the second red card was particularly harsh though. The first incident was where the ball had gone and Burdisso swiped out, kicking Kuyt - which you could argue is a straight red anyway. Whilst the second was where both Lucas' and Burdisso's feet were high, the ball was taken away by Lucas, Burdisso missed him with his foot but caught him with his trailing leg (i think). The red in the first leg was extremely harsh but this one doesn't compare.

If you want to play it that way, Babbel could have seen red as he made a couple of robust challenges after the yellow card, and Benayoun caught Maicon with a clear elbow - another ref could easily have pulled out a red card. The truth is that all of them were none of them were worthy of seeing a man leave the pitch. Burdisso was very unlucky.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:29 pm

GOBati wrote:

So you consider Milan a big team... in Italy Milan is nothing more than an average team, the only big teams in Italy at the moment are Inter and Roma.

As I said before Liverpool faced Inter in their worst moment of form and with lots of injured mainly in defence but this doesn't justify them. Outplayed in Anfield Road, incapable to score in San Siro, that's enough

Hmmm... let me think... Nah, they're only European champions. Small fry. Rolling Eyes

Of course they are a bloody big team! They didn't spank Man U, beat Bayern and then Liverpool to win the biggest cup in club football because they are an average team.

However, they have been average in the league, that's something i've pointed out on many occasions. That doesn't mean they aren't a big team though, and their league form has no bearing whatsoever on the Milan derby. The Milan derby is more like a cup tie - especially for AC Milan, who were playing Inter for their pride as Inter were too far ahead of them in the league. Didn't stop Inter winning the last 3 though.

Hmmm, i wonder if that had something to do with the ref sending off their best centre back only half an hour into the match...
Rolling Eyes

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:33 pm

Oh and i see no one wants to address the point about Inter having to play their 5th and 6th choice centre backs against one of the best teams in the Champions League...

Wonder why?!

How about instead of discrediting them with no thought or knowledge of them, you address these points first?

Johaldo8 · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:03 am

I wouldn't say Milan are a very big team in my opinion. Not for the past couple of years anyway.

OK, so they're european champions which by default does make them a big team but they are p!ss poor in their league. For me, big teams try challenge for everything. Man Utd and Chelsea last season went for everything, whereas Milan only seem to focus on the CL nowadays. Same with Liverpool last season. It's disgraceful for clubs like Milan and Liverpool not to be contesting their own championship.

Last season I tipped Liverpool and Milan to knock out Chelsea and Man Utd in the CL semis (check the thread if you don't believe me), but only because they were fresher and hence better prepared. Man Utd and Chelsea were involved in a dogfight in the league and the FA Cup as well as the CL. They were running on empty and injuries were kicking in by the time the semis came.

Tez Arne · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:18 am

Ok Joe, it looks like I can't change your mind Wink

I admit we were very fortunate with some of the decision but don't forget the penalty that we should have had when Patrick Vieira hand-balled it.

Johaldo8 · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:51 am

What handball Tez? Confused

GOBati · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:51 am

Sticky T wrote:

GOBati wrote:

So you consider Milan a big team... in Italy Milan is nothing more than an average team, the only big teams in Italy at the moment are Inter and Roma.

As I said before Liverpool faced Inter in their worst moment of form and with lots of injured mainly in defence but this doesn't justify them. Outplayed in Anfield Road, incapable to score in San Siro, that's enough

Hmmm... let me think... Nah, they're only European champions. Small fry. Rolling Eyes

Of course they are a bloody big team! They didn't spank Man U, beat Bayern and then Liverpool to win the biggest cup in club football because they are an average team.

However, they have been average in the league, that's something i've pointed out on many occasions. That doesn't mean they aren't a big team though, and their league form has no bearing whatsoever on the Milan derby. The Milan derby is more like a cup tie - especially for AC Milan, who were playing Inter for their pride as Inter were too far ahead of them in the league. Didn't stop Inter winning the last 3 though.

Sometime ago you were the first one to say Milan were poor, now they're are a big team domestically Rolling Eyes

Tez Arne · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:31 pm

Johaldo8 wrote:

What handball Tez? Confused

In the first leg. It happened in the second half. Gerrard tried to knock it over Patrick Vieira in the area and Vieira handled it. Conveniently forgot that one didn't you Wink

Sticky T · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:38 pm

GOBati wrote:

Sticky T wrote:

GOBati wrote:

So you consider Milan a big team... in Italy Milan is nothing more than an average team, the only big teams in Italy at the moment are Inter and Roma.

As I said before Liverpool faced Inter in their worst moment of form and with lots of injured mainly in defence but this doesn't justify them. Outplayed in Anfield Road, incapable to score in San Siro, that's enough

Hmmm... let me think... Nah, they're only European champions. Small fry. Rolling Eyes

Of course they are a bloody big team! They didn't spank Man U, beat Bayern and then Liverpool to win the biggest cup in club football because they are an average team.

However, they have been average in the league, that's something i've pointed out on many occasions. That doesn't mean they aren't a big team though, and their league form has no bearing whatsoever on the Milan derby. The Milan derby is more like a cup tie - especially for AC Milan, who were playing Inter for their pride as Inter were too far ahead of them in the league. Didn't stop Inter winning the last 3 though.

Sometime ago you were the first one to say Milan were poor, now they're are a big team domestically Rolling Eyes

Don't be an idiot.

GOBati · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:46 pm

Sticky T wrote:

GOBati wrote:

Sticky T wrote:

GOBati wrote:

So you consider Milan a big team... in Italy Milan is nothing more than an average team, the only big teams in Italy at the moment are Inter and Roma.

As I said before Liverpool faced Inter in their worst moment of form and with lots of injured mainly in defence but this doesn't justify them. Outplayed in Anfield Road, incapable to score in San Siro, that's enough

Hmmm... let me think... Nah, they're only European champions. Small fry. Rolling Eyes

Of course they are a bloody big team! They didn't spank Man U, beat Bayern and then Liverpool to win the biggest cup in club football because they are an average team.

However, they have been average in the league, that's something i've pointed out on many occasions. That doesn't mean they aren't a big team though, and their league form has no bearing whatsoever on the Milan derby. The Milan derby is more like a cup tie - especially for AC Milan, who were playing Inter for their pride as Inter were too far ahead of them in the league. Didn't stop Inter winning the last 3 though.

Sometime ago you were the first one to say Milan were poor, now they're are a big team domestically Rolling Eyes

Don't be an idiot.

We've just different opinions on the matter there's no necessity for either of us to be called idiot

Sticky T · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:54 pm

Sorry.

I respect and like you, but you twisted what i said in an idiotic way to come up with something that was complete tosh.

How about we settle it with - Milan are pish and unable to put together a good league campaign, but are still a big team?

GOBati · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:32 pm

Sticky T wrote:

Sorry.

I respect and like you, but you twisted what i said in an idiotic way to come up with something that was complete tosh.

How about we settle it with - Milan are pish and unable to put together a good league campaign, but are still a big team?

Ok. I think it's the definition of a big club we couldn't agree on. I call a big club a team who's able at the present moment to beat anyone else domestically and in Europe despite the tradition of their past and recent history

Raul · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:38 pm

If it helps, I don't know what a big club is anymore

Sticky T · Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:06 pm

Neither do i, but i'm sure regardless of league form, a team that has the second best record in Europe, ever, and is the current champions qualifies as a big team.

Johaldo8 · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:33 am

Tez Arne wrote:

Johaldo8 wrote:

What handball Tez? Confused

In the first leg. It happened in the second half. Gerrard tried to knock it over Patrick Vieira in the area and Vieira handled it. Conveniently forgot that one didn't you Wink

Ahh yes, so it has come back to me, Tez me old mucker Wink

But...Inter were already down to 10 men then. And besides, from what I remember of it - Gerrard running in the box at a very narrow angle - it was 50:50

Ben91 · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:15 am

Feeble Johaldo.

I bet it was meltdown in your head when we paired up with Arsenal - who will you want to win?!

Johaldo8 · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:43 pm

Ben91 wrote:

I bet it was meltdown in your head when we paired up with Arsenal - who will you want to win?!

Meltdown? Don't be stupid! I wanted the top four teams to draw each other to knock one another out! I'm cheering for Barca - fcuk the top four! Wink

Who am I going for? Don't care! I'll just laugh at whoever loses. If Arsenal lose then naturally being a Yid I'll take great pleasure in seeing them out, and if Liverpool lose then I'll laugh at you hauling yourself out of Rafa's backside and finally realise that he isn't the Champions' League God you make him out to be.

We've won the League Cup so I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show Cool

Benraul · Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:48 pm

Johaldo8 wrote:

We've won the League Cup so I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the show Cool

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