Kaka no longer the 'best player in the world' in General Football from Football.co.uk

Wtebar · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:13 am

Kaka is still the best player in the world as far as I am concerned.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:18 am

paddypoohead wrote:

Messi has a higher goal to game ratio than Ronaldo judging from all the games Messi has played for Barcelona and all the games Ronaldo has played for Man Unted and so does Kaka.

Where did you get that [beep!] from?

I don't think Messi has a better goal to game scoring ratio than Ronaldo, and i know Kaka certainly doesn't.

ForcaSLB · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:33 am

paddypoohead wrote:

So you want to judge the players on the long tem?

Messi has a higher goal to game ratio than Ronaldo judging from all the games Messi has played for Barcelona and all the games Ronaldo has played for Man Unted and so does Kaka.

And exactly what big games has Ronaldo performed in, excluding Roma which has more of a team performance and was heavily contributed to by Roma's open attcking game that just fell apart.

Get your facts right paddypoohead. Ronaldo does have a much better goal ratio that kaka and a little bit better than messi. In relation to messi's getafe goal my opinion is that it was a training session goal. There wasnt a decent chalange on him at all. Before you open your mouth to say something do a little research or what will happen is: a lot of poo coming out of it! Wink

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 1:38 am

No way. That Messi goal was absolutely phenomenal.

ForcaSLB · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:01 am

Sticky T wrote:

No way. That Messi goal was absolutely phenomenal.

Do you really think messi would score that goal in the premier league. Watch closely please:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5fqe9Ng0u4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWnc9NK75gY&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vFdjJdXqOo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XS3IfahVqA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C23n8zpTKiY&feature=related

Messi is a midget. If he was playing in england he would be a real mess god love him! Wink

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:34 am

You think Messi doesn't get fouled in Spain?

I think he would've scored that anywhere. Just because there's a lot of fouling in England, it doesn't mean people can't score great solo goals because they will get knocked off the ball. The majority of the time they will anywhere, but occasionally they won't. no one could touch Messi when he scored that beaut.

ForcaSLB · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:42 am

Sticky T wrote:

You think Messi doesn't get fouled in Spain?

I think he would've scored that anywhere. Just because there's a lot of fouling in England, it doesn't mean people can't score great solo goals because they will get knocked off the ball. The majority of the time they will anywhere, but occasionally they won't. no one could touch Messi when he scored that beaut.

I'm sure Ben Tatcher would have something to say about your last sentence there. Laughing

Just when I was starting to think that this forum had football knowledgeble people... Rolling Eyes

Wtebar · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:57 am

[quote="ForcaSLB"]

Sticky T wrote:

Messi is a midget. If he was playing in england he would be a real mess god love him! Wink

Did you not see Chelsea v Barcelona when Messi ran the show?

Messi is world class and would be so anywhere and the same can be said of Ronaldo.

Benraul · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 12:01 pm

ForcaSLB wrote:

Messi is a midget. If he was playing in england he would be a real mess god love him! Wink

size has nothing to do with ability. Look at Michael Owen when he burst on the scene. Look at Aaron Lennon. He is always a threat when he has the ball. These two players are small. Michael Owen was once voted european player of the Year, and he was playing in england. Players addapt.

paddypoohead · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:48 pm

ForcaSLB wrote:

paddypoohead wrote:

So you want to judge the players on the long tem?

Messi has a higher goal to game ratio than Ronaldo judging from all the games Messi has played for Barcelona and all the games Ronaldo has played for Man Unted and so does Kaka.

And exactly what big games has Ronaldo performed in, excluding Roma which has more of a team performance and was heavily contributed to by Roma's open attcking game that just fell apart.

Get your facts right paddypoohead. Ronaldo does have a much better goal ratio that kaka and a little bit better than messi. In relation to messi's getafe goal my opinion is that it was a training session goal. There wasnt a decent chalange on him at all. Before you open your mouth to say something do a little research or what will happen is: a lot of poo coming out of it! Wink

From the beginning of Messi's career at Barca he has scored 30 goals in 72 games. This is a ratio of 0.41. From the beginning of Ronaldo's career at United he has scored 59 in 155 games. Which is 0.38.This is just judging by their league games, if we take Champions League into account then I'm sure Kaka would also have a better ratio than Ronaldo, and if Messi hadn't of got injured against Celtic then he may well have went on to score and become the undisputed top scorer of the CL (he's joint top with Ronaldo)

So there you go I HAVE got my facts right so do not insult my intelligence by claiming that I am wrong when it is YOU who is mistaken!

bhuva · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:44 pm

It doesn't surprise me this season if i am honest. Ronaldo as much as i hate him and would love him never to play football again, he is just two good seems to be the one for Man U at the moment. As much as i hate to say it, but he is just too good.

marcofoo · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:23 pm

paddypoohead wrote:

ForcaSLB wrote:

paddypoohead wrote:

So you want to judge the players on the long tem?

Messi has a higher goal to game ratio than Ronaldo judging from all the games Messi has played for Barcelona and all the games Ronaldo has played for Man Unted and so does Kaka.

And exactly what big games has Ronaldo performed in, excluding Roma which has more of a team performance and was heavily contributed to by Roma's open attcking game that just fell apart.

Get your facts right paddypoohead. Ronaldo does have a much better goal ratio that kaka and a little bit better than messi. In relation to messi's getafe goal my opinion is that it was a training session goal. There wasnt a decent chalange on him at all. Before you open your mouth to say something do a little research or what will happen is: a lot of poo coming out of it! Wink

From the beginning of Messi's career at Barca he has scored 30 goals in 72 games. This is a ratio of 0.41. From the beginning of Ronaldo's career at United he has scored 59 in 155 games. Which is 0.38.This is just judging by their league games, if we take Champions League into account then I'm sure Kaka would also have a better ratio than Ronaldo, and if Messi hadn't of got injured against Celtic then he may well have went on to score and become the undisputed top scorer of the CL (he's joint top with Ronaldo)

So there you go I HAVE got my facts right so do not insult my intelligence by claiming that I am wrong when it is YOU who is mistaken!

Do a little more research and you find that you probably shouldn't use Wikipedia when looking up stats.

Your figures are incorrect.

However he does have a better ratio than Ronaldo - who is a winger.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 11:50 pm

Yeah, i was about to say that.

Your stats are incorrect.

Ronaldo has scored around 59goals in just the last TWO season's.

Acorrding to the Sun these are the stats:

Appearances = 227

Goals = 83

marcofoo · Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:19 am

Silly poopoohead!

paddypoohead · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:55 pm

Sticky T wrote:

Yeah, i was about to say that.

Your stats are incorrect.

Ronaldo has scored around 59goals in just the last TWO season's.

Acorrding to the Sun these are the stats:

Appearances = 227

Goals = 83

If those stats are correct Ronaldo has a worse ration than I first calculated(still excellent for someone who doesn't play on the forward line)

Sticky T · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 5:57 pm

Yeah, the ratio may be worse, but we all know it's more difficult to maintain a good ratio with more games.

1 goal in 1 game isn't particularly impressive - but it would give you an amazing goals to games ration. 50 goals in 100 games is a fantastic record, but the ratio would only be half as good.

paddypoohead · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:14 pm

Sticky T wrote:

Yeah, the ratio may be worse, but we all know it's more difficult to maintain a good ratio with more games.

1 goal in 1 game isn't particularly impressive - but it would give you an amazing goals to games ration. 50 goals in 100 games is a fantastic record, but the ratio would only be half as good.

Guys like Messi and Kaka have also been around a few years(despite Messi's age)he's ben starting since he was about 17. Anyway, ratios can be a good indication of a player but we can't just judge them on how many goals they score.

Sticky T · Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:25 pm

If we did though, Ronaldo would now obliterate them. Neither Messi or Kaka have ever been close to his tally this season.

paddypoohead · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:12 am

Sticky T wrote:

If we did though, Ronaldo would now obliterate them. Neither Messi or Kaka have ever been close to his tally this season.

Well it's a good thing we don't....stats only tell a part of the story

And Messi aged 20 is easily a more consistent player and goalscorer than Ronaldo aged 20

Sticky T · Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 12:28 am

Very true.

Best player of his age i've seen in some time.