I know who id rather have.

If i was in your position, i'd want Ramos as well.

Ramos is an amazing manager, and far better suited to the grime of the frivolous, insignificant lowly peanut competitions. He's better suited at dealing with small-timers...




Only joking. I respect every competition, and the UEFA cup IS a VERY good competition. It has provided me with great entertainment, and is full of stars.

Ramos really is superb though. He's one of my favourite managers, and Tottenham are one of my favourite teams.

Good...so show some damn respect!!

Talking of RESPECT, it's high time these premiership footballers let their feet do the talking, not their mouths. Maybe Mascherano is unfortunate and is paying a high price for what Ashley Cole did in midweek, but at the end of the day just because Riley got it wrong by not punishing Cole, that doesn't mean that any disrespect from anyone after that shouldn't be punished either - two wrongs don't make a right. A line was drawn after the Cole incident and I thought everyone was aware of the clampdown on surrounding and hounding referees. Clearly not Mascherano.

I was speaking to a Liverpool fan (a proper Scouser) at work today and asked him his opinion of the sending off. He said "if I put my hand into an alligator's mouth, no doubt the alligator will bite the fcuker off. Although I could blame the alligator, it's my fault for tempting him. I shouldn't have given him the chance". The point is clear: Mascherano shouldn't have tempted Bennett, which he did several times after getting the yellow card.

Here is the whole Mascherano saga:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YQSmkB5XWg

So Javier "tempted" Bennett into sending him off?

If asking the ref whats going on is a yellow card offence then why wasnt Babel given a yellow? Alonso? Aurelio? even Ronaldo?

Looking at your little youtube video, it shows the tackle on Torres that lead to Masch being sent off was awful, Ferdinand lead with his arm yet Torres is carded for having a moan which he is totally within his rights to do so. Rio get a yellow?

Bennett is an awful referee.

I'd say that "tempted" is a very apt word to use in describing Mascherano's actions.

He didn't simply ask the referee what was going on, he repeated the question in the referee's face with that annoying cocky little smile like a spoilt child who had just been grounded for being naughty.

And just like that child is tempting his mother to just turn around and snap with increased punishment, Mascherano tempted Bennett into further action.

But hey, maybe Mascherano missed the whole incident and genuinely didn't know what Torres got booked for and so he simply had to rush 30 yards to the referee, push Alonso out of the way and get in the refs face

The proof is in the pudding.. And rafa said he's a honest player and wouldn't lie

Oi, Crabs: let's say Mascherano said "what's happening?" to Bennett, and he replied "I've just booked Torres for dissent". You think Masch would have just walked away, do you? He came there to CONFRONT the referee - ugly fcukin goofy crooked teeth smiling or not, he CONFRONTED the ref! He came to argue, running 20 yards in an aggressive manner, even pushing Alonso away to speak to the ref.

I agree that the referee was inconsistent i.e. Torres was very unlucky to get booked, but I don't think Rio deserved a yellow card. In fact on 31 seconds on the video, he gets the ball. The second one was a foul but no more. Besides, Bennett could easily have sent off Torres for his challenge in the second half, but let it go.

Maybe we could even say the ref helped l,pool yet again!

Notice how Crabs doesn't want to discuss that challenge too much?

Personally, this furore about this red card is glossing over Liverpool's inept performance. Maybe it did Benitez a favour as it would take the attention off another pathetic display against their bitter rivals. But red card or no red card, Liverpool were already losing the match and were destined to lose it comfortably in my opinion.

But rather than discuss the performance of his team, Benitez is choosing to speak to Keith Hackett to "find a solution" about the Mascherano incident. What solution??? Isn't it clear enough already? Tell your players to keep their mouths shut and you'll be fine. It's not rocket science

How about you give me a chance to actually reply to you first before assuming I dont wanna discuss the challenge. Good idea? Yeah?

Im not sure on the Torres challenge, to be honest I cant remember it but if its bad as you say it is then I'll have to go on your word..

Nobody will know how Liverpool would have got on if Masch wasnt sent off, 11 v 11 might have been a better showing from Liverpool...nobody will know. Having 10 men changed the game totally and in my opinion Bennett lost the game. Disregarding the sending off, Mr Bennett had no idea, even before the game it was Ferguson who was moaning about him & to be honest the game got the better of him as it has so many times before, His billing precieved him. Bennett is the new Poll.

Are L,pool fc getting fined for this appauling behavior or what? I can't believe he only gets a one match ban.

And... Are the club themselves giving him a fine?

Well that reply was worth waiting for...you don't even remember it!! I wonder why it slipped your memory bank...maybe because you knew it was a second yellow but selectively chose to ignore it

As for the rest of your post, it's just the same old rubbish regurgitated: blaming the ref for Liverpool's glaring deficiencies.

of course he didnt he was dejected and he was'nt the only one carra was'nt to hot either not to mention a few others gerrard has had agood season its just because ever one is so used to him bossing the midfield that they think he can do it with a man down.......he's not superman

More like the invisible man...

it is not a new thing from him though. It has happened on quite a few occasions recently against the big teams where he looks disinterested. Even with 10 men against your biggest rivals i still expect fight, but that is not what we got from him, he seemed to conceed defeat.

If anything that would be worse for Benitiez. He seems to always put his head in the sand when there is a poor performance such as this one, so for him to be allowed an excuse sugar coats another bad outing against one of the top teams. It is obvious to all we need to improve. I like your point regarding how poor our record is Vs United under Rafa. We always take a cautious approach. Why not, as you said, go for the win. I thought that was what we were going to do in the first 6 mins, lol, then the inevitable happened.



Even though they had not put us under too much pressure i think that was going to be the obvious outcome in the end.

Do you mean the Torres foul on Vidic?

That's the only one i can remember. But that was nothing. It wasn't a good tackle, he didn't get the ball, but it certainly wasn't worthy of a second yellow. Not even close. It was the sort of tackle you see in EVERY game. To get sent off for it was a joke.

But maybe i missed a foul and that's the one you're talking about.

So this is how Liverpool fans saw the events last Sunday

very good forev.

bennett was a loser