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Again nobody is disputing how good a player he is, what we are saying is that he isn't the best in the world right now. He has to many areas of his game which he needs to improve - firstly teamwork, and secondly playing well against the big boys.

Regarding the goalscoring thing, if you believe that, then Andy Cole is the 2nd best player to play in the premier league.
Goals are important, but they are not everything!


Unfortunatley I don't think any of them are able to understand that.


Wrong, I understand that just disagree.

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Kaka was never the best player in the world in my oppinion. He was crap in Seria A last season, he was part of Brazil's shocking World Cup, he did'nt even bother to show up for the Copa America and this season he has been bad again in Seria A. He played two good matches against a tired Man United side and he receives the World Player of the year award which is just typical of Fifa. Give it to a decent Brazilian Player. Where was he against the maestro Fabregas? Shevchenko even won the award ahead of Thierry Henry and Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Makes me sick. The season Manchester United won the treble guess what Rivaldo from Barca who Man United knocked out in the group stage won it. Keane, Scholes or Beckham deserved it more that year. Cristiano Ronaldo can score 100 goals in a 100 games and he still won't win it cause Fifa are jealous of the amount of money, tv audiences and power of the Premier League.

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Cristiano Ronaldo v Lionel Messi

Ronaldo is better by a mile. He's both footed, faster, stronger, more skillful, has a better shot, header and freekick. Messi is all left-foot, overated plus injury prone. All his goals are scored inside the box. Ronaldo is a goal machine who scores spectacular goals and he's a better athlete.

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Kaka was never the best player in the world in my oppinion. He was crap in Seria A last season, he was part of Brazil's shocking World Cup, he did'nt even bother to show up for the Copa America and this season he has been bad again in Seria A. He played two good matches against a tired Man United side and he receives the World Player of the year award which is just typical of Fifa. Give it to a decent Brazilian Player. Where was he against the maestro Fabregas? Shevchenko even won the award ahead of Thierry Henry and Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Makes me sick. The season Manchester United won the treble guess what Rivaldo from Barca who Man United knocked out in the group stage won it. Keane, Scholes or Beckham deserved it more that year. Cristiano Ronaldo can score 100 goals in a 100 games and he still won't win it cause Fifa are jealous of the amount of money, tv audiences and power of the Premier League.


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Cristiano Ronaldo v Lionel Messi

Ronaldo is better by a mile. He's both footed, faster, stronger, more skillful, has a better shot, header and freekick. Messi is all left-foot, overated plus injury prone. All his goals are scored inside the box. Ronaldo is a goal machine who scores spectacular goals and he's a better athlete.


i love both of your posts.. lol..

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I agree with what you said about Kaka KingDrog, but NOT what you said about Rivaldo.

The season he won world player of the year no one could touch him. He was magical. Absolutely out of this world.

I think it was that season he scored a hat-trick against Real Madrid.

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Cristiano Ronaldo v Lionel Messi

Ronaldo is better by a mile. He's both footed, faster, stronger, more skillful, has a better shot, header and freekick. Messi is all left-foot, overated plus injury prone. All his goals are scored inside the box. Ronaldo is a goal machine who scores spectacular goals and he's a better athlete.


The only reason the majority of Messi's goals are inside the box is that many of his goals are the resuilt of long mazy runs from well outside the box. Just because Ronaldo does more tricks doesn't mean he's a more skillfull player than Messi, surely theres more technique to an incisive pass rather than a stepover. I'll agree with you that Ronaldo is (marginally) stronger and is better in the air but just because Messi is one footed doesn't mean Ronaldo's better. There have been many great one footed players. Do the names Maradona, Puskas or Rivaldo ring a bell?Then again i suppose Ronaldo is better than all those players combined because thats what Sky Sports tell us.......

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Kaka was never the best player in the world in my oppinion. He was crap in Seria A last season, he was part of Brazil's shocking World Cup, he did'nt even bother to show up for the Copa America and this season he has been bad again in Seria A. He played two good matches against a tired Man United side and he receives the World Player of the year award which is just typical of Fifa. Give it to a decent Brazilian Player. Where was he against the maestro Fabregas? Shevchenko even won the award ahead of Thierry Henry and Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Makes me sick. The season Manchester United won the treble guess what Rivaldo from Barca who Man United knocked out in the group stage won it. Keane, Scholes or Beckham deserved it more that year. Cristiano Ronaldo can score 100 goals in a 100 games and he still won't win it cause Fifa are jealous of the amount of money, tv audiences and power of the Premier League.


Kaka is currently not the best in the world, but he was last year. He wasn't crap in Serie A, he may not have been as effective as Ronaldo or Drogba were in the EPL but that doesn't mean he's crap. Kaka was Brazil's only shining light of that World Cup and of course he played more than 2 good games in the Champions League, he was the top scorer! Did you miss his brilliant hat trick in the Group Stage? Or that tremendous solo goal against Celtic in the dying minutes of extra time? Or did you not watch the final? It was Kaka that earned the Free kick that Milan scored from and he also played a fine pass to Inzaghi for the second. Kaka has been good this year but not up to the same standard, mainly due to the fact that he has been carrying an injury for the last 3-4 months and the fact that he has had a bunch of misfiring strikers ahead of him most of the season hasn't helped. Altohugh I will agree that Ronaldo has been much better than him this season. And Shevchenko was better than RVN in his prime(but obviously not anymore)

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Rivaldo was better than all of them. Kaka, Ronaldo, Shevchenko, van Nistlerooy, the lot!

Kaka won the world player of the year award based on just a handful of games.

Hardly worthy in my opinion.

My pick was Drogba.

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Serious question here Sticky, would you kiss Drogba if he offered? Your lust for the man is borderline scary

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Yeah, why not. The guy looks great. When he scored against Arsenal and took his shirt off my mate was like ''wow, he's pure muscle''.

Can't tell me you wouldn't wanna wake up next to that?! Wink



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Sadly not, no

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It's bacause your a glory hunter you see. And because Chelsea aquired a bit of sucess over the past few years, your affection for them has grown. Very soon you'll be an avid Man Utd fan

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''wow, he's pure muscle''.



PS. Thats pure muscle

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It's bacause your a glory hunter you see. And because Chelsea aquired a bit of sucess over the past few years, your affection for them has grown. Very soon you'll be an avid Man Utd fan


Unlikely. Especially as a dislike Chelsea more now than i did before they the Abramovic era. It's just some of their players i like/respect. Players like Ballack, Carvalho, Drogba, Malouda, Ferreira etc.

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What is it with people? Yesterday Johaldo said i cream my pants over Avram Grant!


No I didn't! Well not exactly...I said you was beating yourself off every time Chelsea won recently Laughing Wink


I don't think a true candidate for the "world's best player" really stands out at the moment, although Messi, Kaka and Ronaldo in that order would be my selection.

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The only reason the majority of Messi's goals are inside the box is that many of his goals are the resuilt of long mazy runs from well outside the box. Just because Ronaldo does more tricks doesn't mean he's a more skillfull player than Messi, surely theres more technique to an incisive pass rather than a stepover. I'll agree with you that Ronaldo is (marginally) stronger and is better in the air but just because Messi is one footed doesn't mean Ronaldo's better. There have been many great one footed players. Do the names Maradona, Puskas or Rivaldo ring a bell?Then again i suppose Ronaldo is better than all those players combined because thats what Sky Sports tell us.......
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Sky Sports does'nt tell me he's the best, 34 goals in 34 games is all the proof we need. This player will be one of if not the best player of all time. He just keeps getting better. He will win everything with Manchester United and Portugal. He's already the captain for his country and he'll be the next United captain. Then again I suppose Messi is better because thats what Maradonna tells us just like he says about evey Argentina player under 4ft. Laughing

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The only reason the majority of Messi's goals are inside the box is that many of his goals are the resuilt of long mazy runs from well outside the box. Just because Ronaldo does more tricks doesn't mean he's a more skillfull player than Messi, surely theres more technique to an incisive pass rather than a stepover. I'll agree with you that Ronaldo is (marginally) stronger and is better in the air but just because Messi is one footed doesn't mean Ronaldo's better. There have been many great one footed players. Do the names Maradona, Puskas or Rivaldo ring a bell?Then again i suppose Ronaldo is better than all those players combined because thats what Sky Sports tell us.......
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Sky Sports does'nt tell me he's the best, 34 goals in 34 games is all the proof we need. This player will be one of if not the best player of all time. He just keeps getting better. He will win everything with Manchester United and Portugal. He's already the captain for his country and he'll be the next United captain. Then again I suppose Messi is better because thats what Maradonna tells us just like he says about evey Argentina player under 4ft. Laughing



Ronaldo won't be Uniteds next captain with Ferdinand, Vidic & even Rooney there. I think he was given it against Bolton just for some kind of personal acheivment. Captains need to be someone who works for the team and puts personal milestones aside for the benefit of the team. Not Ronaldo unfortunatley

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Wasn't he only captain for Portugal for a one-off? That's what i heard.

I think Rio would be captain ahead of him at Man Utd, but i'm not sure about Rooney and Vidic. Rooney doesn't conduct himself well enough, and has a complete lack of respect for players and refs, which sets a bad example. As for Vidic, i can't see why he would be given it ahead f Rio. If Rio didn't get it, i think it would be because Fergie wanted something significantly different.

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Form wise Ronaldo is clearly the best player in the world and I am pleased to say that in his first season Torres is not a million miles away.

Kaka for my money is still more gifted than both and he will be amoung them again very soon.

If you ask me who the most gifted player in the world is, I say Kaka hands down. He is just special, he has something that we very rarely see. He has the intelligence to go with his ability and also the attitude.

I believe were Kaka in a settled and form side he would be the best in the world.

For me Torres has been more impressive than Ronaldo (never thought I would say that). No not because I am a Liverpool fan but because of the difference in quality of the two teams they play for. Torres is awesome in spite of the fact he plays for one of the most rigid and uninspiring defensive sides in the world.

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Kaka has already reached his potential at Milan and I think that if he's going to get any better then he should move to a team in England... Wink

But watch out for Pato, Milan's latest discovery... one word: masterclass

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Wasn't he only captain for Portugal for a one-off? That's what i heard.

I think Rio would be captain ahead of him at Man Utd, but i'm not sure about Rooney and Vidic. Rooney doesn't conduct himself well enough, and has a complete lack of respect for players and refs, which sets a bad example. As for Vidic, i can't see why he would be given it ahead f Rio. If Rio didn't get it, i think it would be because Fergie wanted something significantly different.



Ferguson has said in the past, on seperate occassions that he can see both Rio & Rooney being United captains in the future. Never heard him say anything about Ronaldo though. Rooney is still young and has alot to learn and will become better as a player and a person. Alot of the traits you see in him (ie. temperment) were the same traits a certain Roy Keane had throughout his career yet he became one of United's greatest ever captains

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Have none of you seen Gerrard play??? Ok, can any of these so called best players in the world defend? no never - Kaka not a chance as he wont even go in his own half most of the time. Drogba may be good at headers on defending corners, ronaldo due to his speed can chase someone back and put them under pressure but Gerrard can defend like a defender and his tackling is near perfect most of the time - He started of at right back for the first team, he has played just in front of the defence on the wings, in the middle and up front have the others done that in such a demanding way as Gerrard? i doubt it. I may be biased towards Gerrard but if you are looking for an all rounder then it has to be him. if you looking for just an attacker / winger then maybe it is Ronaldo or Kaka.

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Wasn't he only captain for Portugal for a one-off? That's what i heard.

I think Rio would be captain ahead of him at Man Utd, but i'm not sure about Rooney and Vidic. Rooney doesn't conduct himself well enough, and has a complete lack of respect for players and refs, which sets a bad example. As for Vidic, i can't see why he would be given it ahead f Rio. If Rio didn't get it, i think it would be because Fergie wanted something significantly different.



Ferguson has said in the past, on seperate occassions that he can see both Rio & Rooney being United captains in the future. Never heard him say anything about Ronaldo though. Rooney is still young and has alot to learn and will become better as a player and a person. Alot of the traits you see in him (ie. temperment) were the same traits a certain Roy Keane had throughout his career yet he became one of United's greatest ever captains


Yeah, but let's not look at those bad traits as good ones which would make him a great captain just because Keane had them and he was a great captain.

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