Wtebar wanted to carry on the discussion, Crabs.

Hope you don't mind

Hey.



You know, just incase you forgot. That one in the middle is my favourite, I believe you were running round Spain with it, too bad you will never see it again.

History, history, history.

You clutch onto that if it makes you happy but I care about here and now and Liverpool are but a miniscule shadow of the past.

How longs it been since you scored a goal against Manchester United?

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If every player is sent off for what Mascherano was "guilty" off then this game of ours will be an absolute joke, just as Bennett was.

I'm not bitter about the result, we were shite long before Mascherano left the field. I would just like a level (obviously taking into account that United were at home and will get more than us) playing field if that isn't too much to ask

I wonder if Mascherano's teammates at half time thought the same thing as you: that Mascherano was sent off just for asking a question. I doubt it.

How many Liverpool players have come out criticising the referee for sending him off? If they have, I haven't seen it.

I've already said you did well and we were shocking.

If you win the league again then I will respect that too.

If you come round here with posts like that though that serve no purpose other than to have a pop then you know I will be reminding you that the only way to see the jewel in the crown of your greatest achievement is to buy a ticket at Anfield for the Liverpool tour.

Torres was probably glad that someone was standing up for him. Gerrard was probably thinking about putting this incident in a book and "getting out of there" as soon as possible (as he wrote in his last book), really what you need to hear from your captain.

Reina was probably soaping up his gloves for the second half.

Aurelio was probably wrapped from head to toe in cotton wool.

Carragher was probably trying to sort his head out.

Skrtel was probably headbutting the wall shoting something in Serbian.

Arbeloa was probably wondering where or if he will be playing next week.

Babel was probably lying prostrate with oxygen as according to Rafa he can barely play 70 minutes.

Alonso was probably reading the full works of shakespeare.

Benayoun was probably asleep.

and finally as if I give a [beep!] what Kuyt was doing, he was probably running about aimlessly saying look at me boss, I control the game!

Rafa of course was telling the lads how unlucky they were to be 1-0 down and that they were controlling the game.

Relying on Liverpool players to stand up for each other at the moment is about as reliable as putting Derby in a treble.

Remember though, we're the ones obsessed with you.

Enjoy your cup final tomorrow.

Ooooh I hit a nerve!

The thread has just descended into a back and forth of nothingness though and I seen Jono comment on how it needed locking so I thought I'd chuck the scoreboard in for the last page

See, there will come a time when Liverpool do finally get their victory over United in the league again and I will take the stick that comes with it on the chin.

Anyways, I can respect what the Liverpool teams of the past have achieved. I don't really feel any bitterness at all towards your European haul, kudos to the achievement but it really isn't that flattering when you have to pull out achievements from 25-30 years ago to take a pop. Once your league title total is equalled and bettered then I could care less about the European cups. That'll just be a conselation.

Oh yeah, what do you Liverpool fans make of Gerrard coming out after the defeat last Sunday and creaming himself over Rooney? "Rooney destroyed us", he said Not really captain-esque protocol to come out and laud praise to your biggest rivals best players. I found that extremely odd myself.

You wouldn't catch Gary Nev coming out and saying that about Gerrard or Torres.

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ben i have taken the post away because you know how these things pan out. it will be non stop bickering and childish tit for tat which nobody wants to see.

bluenose if you feel you just HAVE to make a reply to ben please do so via PM and dont clutter up this thread with arguing about nothing.

thanks.

Now now lads.

Strangely for me i decided to avoid all football media for a while after the United game, which i don't usually do. This whole thing with Mascherano just lost me though. It wasn't the result i minded, as it was inevitable, but all the farcical circus ensuing around the Argentine i couldn't be bothered with. I haven't trawled through the masses of pages as it's probably mostly either a slanging match or various anti-Liverpool users gloating, so i'll just give my opinion and leave it at that.

Firstly, the match - we were never going to win and we didn't deserve to win at any stage, regardless of sending off. United had already had a couple of one-on-one chances before their first goal and Reina kept us in it, but the Mancs were always going to break us down and we were showing very little at the other end. The result was inevitable.

Secondly, after some thought, the red card was harsh but justifiable. Harsh because Mascherano's first yellow was resultant of only a mistimed challenge, rather than a high, studs-showing or malicious challenge, whilst i don't honestly believe he was excessively aggressive in his manner towards the referee (albeit i admit that is debatable), unlike some cases we've seen; but his tackle initially was reckless and he did harangue the referee persistently. He was stupid to do that, and i think he took the whole 'grudge match' occasion a step too far.

Initially it was the fact that he was to miss the Everton match that left me seething, and to be fair, still did up until our victory, but what incenses me the most is the diabolical inconsistency posed by the [beep!] that is Mr. Bennett, and too the infuriating reality that we have been made an example of for Chelsea's crimes.

In the game it was blatant that the referee was bent on sending one of our players off for dissent, making a name for himself in the process as 'the man that stands up against those horrible disrespectful players'. This was obvious in the incident leading up to the Mascherano red, where Torres was booked with considerable ease for the meagre wrongdoing of questioning a decision. This despite United had at one time 3 players around the ref and, without evidence but with little really needed, Rooney will have probably cursed the referee senseless at some point throughout.

Which brings me nicely onto the next point, the fact that Ashley Cole conjured a far worse case of disrespect in the Tottenham match than any player of ours ever has under Benitez. We're really not that bad for dissent, no where near in comparison to Chelsea and, as i say, Rooney (whose career is finished if they start booking players off for dissent). Of course it is easy to make an example of a foreigner than an established English player... This is the injustice, that the real culprits, both in players and clubs, have gone without charge whilst we pay the bloody price. It's not even funny.

The day i'll look back on this and not be fuelled with angst will be the day they serve up the same treatment to a player from Manchester United or Chelsea. The London club has so far been given fines of £2000 and such, even when Terry pulled a red card out of the hands of a referee in the United game! It's ridiculous that we should now be faced with a further ban for Mascherano. It acts as an apt anecdote for the gutless farce that is the English Football Association, if nothing else. The fact they won't act on real incidents, wait for something like this to materialise and then congratulate themselves on supposedly 'upholding the laws of the game'.

Don't get me wrong, dissent has to be cut out of the game (which it won't be, not for more than a few weeks anyway, when it'll resurface with little opposition), but what i struggle to fathom is how the likes of Terry and Cole can go unpunished while we're made to look like the villains.

Mascherano banned for another 2 games and fined another £15000 on top of his club fine. It means Mascherano will miss the upcoming Premier League games against Arsenal this weekend and at home to Blackburn on 13th April.

Liverpool have confirmed that they are considering an appeal against the punishment, with a spokesman telling the club's official website: "Although we received a fair hearing we must now decide whether to appeal on the basis of inconsistency of sentencing for Javier based on past precedents."

I hope they do appeal and he gets an additional deserved extension for making a frivolous appeal.

damn i wanna go to this match

I think you missed it

every year it is 2 times right..

like ther is 2 times (or somethimes more) a year ajax-feyenoord, feyenoord-ajax

Don't be silly please mate. A 2-game extension and a £15,000 fine is totally unfair in relation to past incidents (like the Adabayor one in the Carling Cup Final where he received just a 1-game extension and something like a £7,000 fine for acting no better than how the Argentine did) - and, for the bracketed reason, the appeal is not frivolous but entirely justified. A two game ban is fair, but four would be severe and unquestionably undeserved.