arsenal vs Liverpool in UEFA Champions League from Football.co.uk

Forev · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:41 am

He is.

Gerrard may get in the team because he's better than Carrick and Hargreaves but I don't think the team would be better off. Scholes is ahead of him still.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:53 am

I, like the majority of people (even Man U fans) disagree with that. Scholes isn't as good as he once was, and i for Gerrard is quite clearly better than him now. Mentally Scholes would be well ahead of him in that Man U team, but that hasn't stopped Anderson leaving Scholes on the bench for a lot of this season.

Let's not forgot as well that Man U often play with 3 central midfielders. Gerrard would easily get in there.v

I don't care, though, it's never going to happen, and most people would say Gerrard is far superior to anyone you have in the centre.

I think Harry Kewell is a better winger than Ronaldo.

papa5murf · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:00 am

Sticky T wrote:

Why do people always see a defensive style as terrible football? We aren't even that defensive a lot of the time, but in the Champions League Benitez always chooses defence over attack, and you won't find any Liverpool fans complaining, because it works!

Just compare it to Fergie's and Wenger's attacking philosophy in this competition. Their records pale in comparison.

I used to think of Chelsea (especially in their black kit) a Nazi war machine, that would roll on and on, grinding past all that was put before it. Nothing could stop them. No one could score against them. Their defence was unbeatable, and that was the foundations their attack was build on, making them a very solid, organised, powerful and seemingly unstoppable force. From the right camera angle, you would see the team in a line before the match in the dark kits, looking very intimidating, showing no fear, expecting to flatten whatever was put in front of them. There was an air of invincibility about them. If Nazi Germany had a football team instead of an army when they invaded Europe, i imagine it would be like that Chelsea team of old - the one with the incredible defence.

I like to think of Liverpool in the CL as the Russians - The Red Army. They defend for their lives, successfully defending against even the best war machines. Teams can throw everything at us, and we will throw everything in the way to stop them defeating us. It's like we go through hardship on the field, we run more, fight more, become more exhausted, but ultimately, the invaders fail to successfully breach our last line of defence - just like The Red Army in the Stalingrad.

War machines don't run around doing fancy things, they grind past what's put in front of them like an army in the Second World War.

You should write a book. Very Happy

I'd buy it.

Wtebar · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:02 am

Sticky T wrote:

J-Axe wrote:

Liverpool did "a job" - the same old 'park the bus, press the opposition, hack them, hoof it!'

Why do people always see a defensive style as terrible football? We aren't even that defensive a lot of the time, but in the Champions League Benitez always chooses defence over attack, and you won't find any Liverpool fans complaining, because it works!

Just compare it to Fergie's and Wenger's attacking philosophy in this competition. Their records pale in comparison.

I used to think of Chelsea (especially in their black kit) a Nazi war machine, that would roll on and on, grinding past all that was put before it. Nothing could stop them. No one could score against them. Their defence was unbeatable, and that was the foundations their attack was build on, making them a very solid, organised, powerful and seemingly unstoppable force. From the right camera angle, you would see the team in a line before the match in the dark kits, looking very intimidating, showing no fear, expecting to flatten whatever was put in front of them. There was an air of invincibility about them. If Nazi Germany had a football team instead of an army when they invaded Europe, i imagine it would be like that Chelsea team of old - the one with the incredible defence.

I like to think of Liverpool in the CL as the Russians - The Red Army. They defend for their lives, successfully defending against even the best war machines. Teams can throw everything at us, and we will throw everything in the way to stop them defeating us. It's like we go through hardship on the field, we run more, fight more, become more exhausted, but ultimately, the invaders fail to successfully breach our last line of defence - just like The Red Army in the Stalingrad.

War machines don't run around doing fancy things, they grind past what's put in front of them like an army in the Second World War.

That was a brilliant analogy. Smile

I too think Kewell would hobble into United's first team.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:08 am

Haha, thank you.

Wtebar · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:09 am

Sticky T wrote:

Haha, thank you.

Don't mention it.

Arsenal's best season in the CL was when they changed their formation and went more defensive. Coincidence? I think not.

Let's hope the Red Army are marching proud once again in Moscow eh?

Forev · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:25 am

Sticky T wrote:

I, like the majority of people (even Man U fans) disagree with that. Scholes isn't as good as he once was, and i for Gerrard is quite clearly better than him now. Mentally Scholes would be well ahead of him in that Man U team, but that hasn't stopped Anderson leaving Scholes on the bench for a lot of this season.

Let's not forgot as well that Man U often play with 3 central midfielders. Gerrard would easily get in there.v

I don't care, though, it's never going to happen, and most people would say Gerrard is far superior to anyone you have in the centre.

Wrong

Aston Villa 4-4-2
Liverpool 4-3-3/4-5-1
Bolton 4-4-2
Derby 4-4-2
Portsmouth 4-4-2
Lyon 4-3-3/4-5-1
Fulham 4-4-2
Newcastle 4-4-2
Lyon 4-3-3/4-5-1
Arsenal 4-3-3/4-5-1
Man City 4-4-2
Tottenham 4-4-2
Portsmouth 4-4-2
Tottenham 4-4-2
Reading 4-4-2
Newcastle 4-4-2

It's a matter of opinion. I wouldn't swap Scholes for Gerrard, I'd have Gerrard at United but he wouldn't be ahead of Scholes. The only thing that Gerrard has on Scholes is age.

Anderson hasn't left him on the bench for a lot of this season, Scholes was injured Rolling Eyes

Anderson only plays if Scholes is rested or we're playing 3 in midfield.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:38 am

That's absolute [beep!] and you know it. How about tackling? Gerrard must be about 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000x better at tackling than Scholes. The same can be said about heading. He's faster, stronger, has more stamina, better finishing, scores more, better long range shooting, better at set pieces, and better at running.

Only has age over Scholes my arse!

G_Man · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:41 am

Both Gerard and Scholes are dirty when tackling

Boris · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:33 am

Good result for Liverpool, we were lucky to draw 1-1.

And can someone pass my thanks onto Nicholas Bendtner for the goal line clearance, helped us out in a tight spot Wink

Flipper · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:04 am

Sticky T wrote:

I think Harry Kewell is a better winger than Ronaldo.

Aussie_Liverpool_Fan wrote:

And can someone pass my thanks onto Nicholas Bendtner for the goal line clearance, helped us out in a tight spot Wink

that's certainly a world class touch.. he might wanna consider to switch his position to defence Razz

ImmortaL · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:34 am

Flipper wrote:

Aussie_Liverpool_Fan wrote:

And can someone pass my thanks onto Nicholas Bendtner for the goal line clearance, helped us out in a tight spot Wink

that's certainly a world class touch.. he might wanna consider to switch his position to defence Razz

That complete idiot. If I get anywhere near him, I might wanna strangle him... Mad

He could've jumped out of the way, but for some reason, he wanted to touch the ball... Stupid ****

Flipper · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:50 am

ImmortaL wrote:

Flipper wrote:

Aussie_Liverpool_Fan wrote:

And can someone pass my thanks onto Nicholas Bendtner for the goal line clearance, helped us out in a tight spot Wink

that's certainly a world class touch.. he might wanna consider to switch his position to defence Razz

That complete idiot. If I get anywhere near him, I might wanna strangle him... Mad

He could've jumped out of the way, but for some reason, he wanted to touch the ball... Stupid ****

lucky you're not somewhere in europe.. otherwise i might've reported you to 911 Laughing

not sure if i could wish you a win for the second leg.. what about a 0-0 draw?.. happy enough?.. Laughing

Roonanialdo · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:13 am

Sticky T wrote:

I, like the majority of people (even Man U fans) disagree with that. Scholes isn't as good as he once was, and i for Gerrard is quite clearly better than him now. Mentally Scholes would be well ahead of him in that Man U team, but that hasn't stopped Anderson leaving Scholes on the bench for a lot of this season.

Let's not forgot as well that Man U often play with 3 central midfielders. Gerrard would easily get in there.v

I don't care, though, it's never going to happen, and most people would say Gerrard is far superior to anyone you have in the centre.

I think Harry Kewell is a better winger than Ronaldo.

Absolute nonsense. Gerrard may JUST creep into the United squad as a fringe player. The facts speak for themselves, Liverpool and Gerrard in particular have been OWNED by the United midfield in recent matches between the sides.

As for harry Kewell. No comment except LOL.

ImmortaL · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:37 am

Flipper wrote:

ImmortaL wrote:

Flipper wrote:

Aussie_Liverpool_Fan wrote:

And can someone pass my thanks onto Nicholas Bendtner for the goal line clearance, helped us out in a tight spot Wink

that's certainly a world class touch.. he might wanna consider to switch his position to defence Razz

That complete idiot. If I get anywhere near him, I might wanna strangle him... Mad

He could've jumped out of the way, but for some reason, he wanted to touch the ball... Stupid ****

lucky you're not somewhere in europe.. otherwise i might've reported you to 911 Laughing

not sure if i could wish you a win for the second leg.. what about a 0-0 draw?.. happy enough?.. Laughing

I didn't want a win for the second leg. I want Arsenal to go through to the semis. So how about you wish for atleast a 2-2 draw??? Please??? Laughing

conner99 · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:18 am

well that was a dissapointing result .. we should have won that quite comfortably ....2-1 or 3-1 . The incident involving Hlebb and Kuyt was in my opinion a clear penalty . This opionion is backed up by replays showing the faces of a few Liverpool players looking anxious towards the referee ....ie as if he is going to give a penalty ....etc I dont think Hlebb was `looking for it` he had just burst through into the penalty box and only a small tug would be needed to put him off ...which is what Kuyt did . The fact the referee was only yards away is also baffling ...he had been ok up till then .

I think the shot by Fabregas that Bendtner blocked on the line was ruled out for offside anyway . We had a few other chances we should have done better with ....Van Persie , Eboue ....Walcott was unlucky with his effort that flew just wide .

Flamini could have cleard the ball better just before Liverpool`s equaliser , still Gerrard showed his class with a good run and cross for Kuyt to score ..

Van Persie .....damn , Wenger must be cursing his luck ....looks like he will be out for both the League match on saturday and the 2ng leg next tuesday ..

It is not all over though ....a 1-0 win at Anfield would see us through .. we have the ability ...Liverpool have the advantage but ....game still on ...

Boris · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:22 am

Sticky T wrote:

I think Harry Kewell is a better winger than Ronaldo.

Mate i'll always back up Harry Kewell because I know what he can do and what he can't very well having watched him play for many many years. But to say he is better than Cristiano Ronaldo makes you and Kewell and everyone who has ever defended him to the end look bad, people might link us with that stupid comment you've made...so for his, yours and Socceroo/Harry Kewell fans in general sakes.

DO NOT BRING IT UP AGAIN

Kind Regards,
AussieguywhoknowswhatheistalkingaboutwhenitcomestoAustralianfootballmattersunlikestickyt

Smile

O Dogg · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:28 am

I think Sticky was being sarcastic guys....

As for Scholes v Gerrard debate - take it elsewhere please. This is a topic about the game last night.

rachrvp · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:29 am

anyone know the latest on RVP? i cant find it anywhere Crying or Very sad

Boris · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:33 am

He is still gaining match fitness, he isn't injured again thats why he only got 45 minutes this morning.