The Right Result Table

Bluenose · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:05 am

Could be my last post for a bit depending on how today goes so I'll leave you with this and see what you all think.... Wink

Has your team been robbed much? Take a look in the link below.

http://www.rightresult.net/

Refs Rolling Eyes

Pommie#7 · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:11 am

Thats a load of crap, Chelsea deserve their 2nd spot!

conner99 · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:55 am

well i agree with some of the decisions ...but others are down to the interpretation of the law on offside .

the following match Arsenal v Middlesbrough

Mark Halsey has been one of the better performing refs so far this season but the Lancashire official had a bad day at the Emirates with two scoreline changing errors. Arsenal �s Emmanuel Adebayor comes out on the right side of a Right Result decision for the third time in 2007-08 as his early strike that was disallowed for offside should have stood. The ball was played to him by Middlesbrough midfielder George Boateng, rather than team-mate Robin Van Persie. The consolation for Boro is that the goal that Arsenal did score should also have been ruled out. In the incident that resulted in the award of the corner that directly led to the goal, George Boateng was again involved as he was fouled by Emmanuel Eboue

i agree the goal by Adebayor was clearly onside as the pass to him came off a Middlesbrough player ..That is according to the rules not offside ... The so called foul by Eboue is an opinion by the site owners ....are they referees or experts ...i doubt it . The referee did not give a free kick to Middlesborough so officially the goal was ok ...

Tom_Nufc · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:22 pm

yay, we're 11th Laughing

this sort of thing always works both ways. some decisions go your way, but there's always some that dont. so you might feel a bit annoyed that you were cheated out of some points, but then again you might be thanking the dodgy decisions that went your way.

MontyMagpie · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:02 am

The league doesn't look too different. I would like to be ahead of Spurs like in that league.

Wtebar · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:05 am

Whatever helps you sleep lad.

Sticky T · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 3:18 am

Pommie#7 wrote:

Thats a load of crap, Chelsea deserve their 2nd spot!

I completely disagree.

I think Arsenal deserve to still be at the top. They've been incredibly unlucky with very poor refereeing decisions since the Eduardo injury. Even in the CL they seem to be going against them.

Pommie#7 · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:21 am

It's cause people put too much pressure on the refs after incidents like that. (Well thats what i think) Chelsea deserve to be where they are, they havn't done anything wrong, they shouldn't be penalised for officials mistakes.

conner99 · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:01 pm

well no one is penalising them really ...this is just an attempt to show how the table would be if every decision made by an official in a game was the correct one .. it is not that much different ..

Big Jono · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:55 pm

Do they take into account the 3 match ban Robbie Keane wrongfully got? Our captain and top scorer?

Roonanialdo · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:55 pm

It shows that Chelski have been incredibly fortunate with refereeing decisions going their way whilst Man U have been on the wrong end of some decisions. Chelski should already be WELL out of the race for the top spot but find themselves to be in a very fortunate position. Mind you, some people might consider being 5 points behind Man U, with 6 games to play, as an unfortunate position Laughing

Pommie#7 · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:03 am

conner99 wrote:

well no one is penalising them really ...this is just an attempt to show how the table would be if every decision made by an official in a game was the correct one .. it is not that much different ..

Decisions go for and against teams regularly you can't complain.

Steely Hill · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:18 am

that is a load of crap.

its impossible to be so black and white on the issue. like jono points out, how can you judge the impact of a player wrongly banned for 3 games? how can you just add a goal or subtract a goal and leave the scoreline? any idiot knows that every goal changes the game in one way or another and could and probably would lead to an entirely different outcome.

does it include wrongly given free kicks, corners and throw ins that lead to goals?

things like this are made by idiots with very little understanding of the game itself and was quite obviously only reproduced here because it has Everton above Liverpool

Pommie#7 · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:31 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

that is a load of crap.

its impossible to be so black and white on the issue. like jono points out, how can you judge the impact of a player wrongly banned for 3 games? how can you just add a goal or subtract a goal and leave the scoreline? any idiot knows that every goal changes the game in one way or another and could and probably would lead to an entirely different outcome.

does it include wrongly given free kicks, corners and throw ins that lead to goals?

things like this are made by idiots with very little understanding of the game itself and was quite obviously only reproduced here because it has Everton above Liverpool

Thank you Steely, finally an agreement!

Roonanialdo · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:11 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

that is a load of crap.

its impossible to be so black and white on the issue. like jono points out, how can you judge the impact of a player wrongly banned for 3 games? how can you just add a goal or subtract a goal and leave the scoreline? any idiot knows that every goal changes the game in one way or another and could and probably would lead to an entirely different outcome.

does it include wrongly given free kicks, corners and throw ins that lead to goals?

things like this are made by idiots with very little understanding of the game itself and was quite obviously only reproduced here because it has Everton above Liverpool

It makes for interesting debate. It's these type of controversial decisions, that refs get wrong on many occasions because of the fast moving nature of the game, provide a strong argument for the introduction of a video ref to make a judgement. Maybe the table shown is PROOF that luck doesn't even itself out for EVERYBODY throughout the course of the season. The following is from the 'Right Result' web site:

The Right Result concept was devised by people who�d had enough of seeing bad decisions affect the outcome of football matches week in week out. Like many other fans we don�t buy into the old �luck evens itself out over the course of a season� line that gets offered up so often as if it makes everything ok, because luck doesn�t do this and it isn�t ok! We wanted to see just how different the league table would look if refs called it right more often.

Each week on this website� the Right Result panel� selects the key injustices that happen each week during the Premiership season, applies the strict rules of the game to them and passes an impartial� judgement on whether or not questionable decisions should stand. The panel is a neutral and� independent body, comprised of members from the Association of Football Statisticians (www.11v11.com).

Typical examples of incidents include penalties that don�t get given when they should have been. Or those that do get allowed in dubious circumstances. Whether balls did or didn�t cross the goal line. Goals disallowed for questionable offside. These incidents happen so frequently that there�s virtually never a weekend passes without at least one controversial call that not only affects the scoreline of a game, but actually changes the outcome.

Steely Hill · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:28 pm

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

that is a load of crap.

its impossible to be so black and white on the issue. like jono points out, how can you judge the impact of a player wrongly banned for 3 games? how can you just add a goal or subtract a goal and leave the scoreline? any idiot knows that every goal changes the game in one way or another and could and probably would lead to an entirely different outcome.

does it include wrongly given free kicks, corners and throw ins that lead to goals?

things like this are made by idiots with very little understanding of the game itself and was quite obviously only reproduced here because it has Everton above Liverpool

It makes for interesting debate. It's these type of controversial decisions, that refs get wrong on many occasions because of the fast moving nature of the game, provide a strong argument for the introduction of a video ref to make a judgement. Maybe the table shown is PROOF that luck doesn't even itself out for EVERYBODY throughout the course of the season. The following is from the 'Right Result' web site:

The Right Result concept was devised by people who�d had enough of seeing bad decisions affect the outcome of football matches week in week out. Like many other fans we don�t buy into the old �luck evens itself out over the course of a season� line that gets offered up so often as if it makes everything ok, because luck doesn�t do this and it isn�t ok! We wanted to see just how different the league table would look if refs called it right more often.

Each week on this website� the Right Result panel� selects the key injustices that happen each week during the Premiership season, applies the strict rules of the game to them and passes an impartial� judgement on whether or not questionable decisions should stand. The panel is a neutral and� independent body, comprised of members from the Association of Football Statisticians (www.11v11.com).

Typical examples of incidents include penalties that don�t get given when they should have been. Or those that do get allowed in dubious circumstances. Whether balls did or didn�t cross the goal line. Goals disallowed for questionable offside. These incidents happen so frequently that there�s virtually never a weekend passes without at least one controversial call that not only affects the scoreline of a game, but actually changes the outcome.

yes but my point is that this system is just as flawed as the refereeing itself.

there are decisions given incorrectly that may, on the surface, appear harmless. but a didgy free kick deep in your half would give you possession and build an attack and score from it. they wouldnt call that a 'key' decision but it undoubtedly is. the affect of teams having 10 men is undoubtedly impossible to judge and to simply say, as an example, that Everton beat West Ham 2-1 because they got a goal disallowed in the early stages of the game is ludicrous, short sighted and almost playground-like.

the table is not proof of anything. it highlights what the people that run it want to highlight. who is to argue it? do they display every single decision that was unjust? of course not so it does not represent true justice and therefore is completely invalid.

they are also 'studying' each individual decision over the split second reactions of a match day official, hardly fair is it. video ref will signal the end of the game as we know it. should that be bought into all football? or is only the Premier League 'important' enough? if not who will pay for it? how far down do we go before we reach a league that is not 'important' enough and where it would be 'acceptable' for decisions to go wrong?

Roonanialdo · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:44 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

yes but my point is that this system is just as flawed as the refereeing itself.

there are decisions given incorrectly that may, on the surface, appear harmless. but a didgy free kick deep in your half would give you possession and build an attack and score from it. they wouldnt call that a 'key' decision but it undoubtedly is. the affect of teams having 10 men is undoubtedly impossible to judge and to simply say, as an example, that Everton beat West Ham 2-1 because they got a goal disallowed in the early stages of the game is ludicrous, short sighted and almost playground-like.

the table is not proof of anything. it highlights what the people that run it want to highlight. who is to argue it? do they display every single decision that was unjust? of course not so it does not represent true justice and therefore is completely invalid.

they are also 'studying' each individual decision over the split second reactions of a match day official, hardly fair is it. video ref will signal the end of the game as we know it. should that be bought into all football? or is only the Premier League 'important' enough? if not who will pay for it? how far down do we go before we reach a league that is not 'important' enough and where it would be 'acceptable' for decisions to go wrong?

All your points are valid. No one can really predict whether or not awarding a throw in or free kick or corner incorrectly will eventually affect the final outcome of the game.

This is from Chaos Theory: The flapping of a single butterfly's wing today produces a tiny change in the state of the atmosphere. Over a period of time, what the atmosphere actually does diverges from what it would have done. So, in a month's time, a tornado that would have devastated the Indonesian coast doesn't happen. Or maybe one that wasn't going to happen, does.

However, controversial decisions that are OBVIOUSLY wrong and directly affect the scoreline are another matter entirely.

Ram K1 · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:22 pm

Bolton been robbed big time

G_Man · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 3:26 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

that is a load of crap.

its impossible to be so black and white on the issue. like jono points out, how can you judge the impact of a player wrongly banned for 3 games? how can you just add a goal or subtract a goal and leave the scoreline? any idiot knows that every goal changes the game in one way or another and could and probably would lead to an entirely different outcome.

does it include wrongly given free kicks, corners and throw ins that lead to goals?

things like this are made by idiots with very little understanding of the game itself and was quite obviously only reproduced here because it has Everton above Liverpool

It makes for interesting debate. It's these type of controversial decisions, that refs get wrong on many occasions because of the fast moving nature of the game, provide a strong argument for the introduction of a video ref to make a judgement. Maybe the table shown is PROOF that luck doesn't even itself out for EVERYBODY throughout the course of the season. The following is from the 'Right Result' web site:

The Right Result concept was devised by people who�d had enough of seeing bad decisions affect the outcome of football matches week in week out. Like many other fans we don�t buy into the old �luck evens itself out over the course of a season� line that gets offered up so often as if it makes everything ok, because luck doesn�t do this and it isn�t ok! We wanted to see just how different the league table would look if refs called it right more often.

Each week on this website� the Right Result panel� selects the key injustices that happen each week during the Premiership season, applies the strict rules of the game to them and passes an impartial� judgement on whether or not questionable decisions should stand. The panel is a neutral and� independent body, comprised of members from the Association of Football Statisticians (www.11v11.com).

Typical examples of incidents include penalties that don�t get given when they should have been. Or those that do get allowed in dubious circumstances. Whether balls did or didn�t cross the goal line. Goals disallowed for questionable offside. These incidents happen so frequently that there�s virtually never a weekend passes without at least one controversial call that not only affects the scoreline of a game, but actually changes the outcome.

yes but my point is that this system is just as flawed as the refereeing itself.

there are decisions given incorrectly that may, on the surface, appear harmless. but a didgy free kick deep in your half would give you possession and build an attack and score from it. they wouldnt call that a 'key' decision but it undoubtedly is. the affect of teams having 10 men is undoubtedly impossible to judge and to simply say, as an example, that Everton beat West Ham 2-1 because they got a goal disallowed in the early stages of the game is ludicrous, short sighted and almost playground-like.

the table is not proof of anything. it highlights what the people that run it want to highlight. who is to argue it? do they display every single decision that was unjust? of course not so it does not represent true justice and therefore is completely invalid.

they are also 'studying' each individual decision over the split second reactions of a match day official, hardly fair is it. video ref will signal the end of the game as we know it. should that be bought into all football? or is only the Premier League 'important' enough? if not who will pay for it? how far down do we go before we reach a league that is not 'important' enough and where it would be 'acceptable' for decisions to go wrong?

Be a ref yourself. Go out there and show how refereeing should be. Cool

Refeering is hard we all know this. Noone is perfect but what stick they get is incredible for what money they get.

-Dave- · Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:11 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

that is a load of crap.

its impossible to be so black and white on the issue. like jono points out, how can you judge the impact of a player wrongly banned for 3 games? how can you just add a goal or subtract a goal and leave the scoreline? any idiot knows that every goal changes the game in one way or another and could and probably would lead to an entirely different outcome.

does it include wrongly given free kicks, corners and throw ins that lead to goals?

things like this are made by idiots with very little understanding of the game itself and was quite obviously only reproduced here because it has Everton above Liverpool

^^ is the right answer