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  • Crabhead
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Bluenose wrote:
, remember the 70's when they where the dirtiest football team around?

Nothing changes! Rolling Eyes


Can you elaborate on that one please?

 
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Walcott came on too early in my eyes ,he seems to do better when he was less time to make an impression,and he should have stayed on the right of the field and run at Carragher.


He had to come on, it was either him or Bendtner, and Walcott would make more of an impact upon his entry. Van Persie got hurt, apparently hurt his thigh. again...... sigh. That's why the change was made so early.


then i would have brought Bendtner on first,walcott would have made more impact later in the game.

 
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Arsene Wenger gets his fair share of criticism, but I have to commend him here for not suspecting the referee of any wrong doing. I know it sounds obvious, but I've heard many other managers make comments which would suspect the referee's impartiality to the game so it's kind of refreshing to see this:


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Arsene Wenger has rejected suggestions that Liverpool received preferential treatment from the referee on Wednesday night.

The Arsenal boss saw his side denied a potentially match-winning second half penalty after the Reds' Dutch forward Dirk Kuyt appeared to pull back Gunners winger Alexander Hleb inside the area.

The referee for the midweek UEFA Champions League clash was from a town close to where Kuyt was brought up, which has led to suggestions that he handed his countryman an underserved advantage.

However, despite the decision putting Liverpool in pole position to progress to the semi-finals following a 1-1 draw at Emirates Stadium, Wenger refuses to believe that a match official could demonstrate such bias towards any one side.

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"No, not at all," he said. "I think if you are a referee, like a manager, you want a clear game and to do your job well.

"I have no suspicion at all, just if you ask me if it was a penalty, I cannot say 'no' because it was a penalty.

"Of course he didn't see the penalty and only he can explain why, but I have no suspicion, and I think it is very important to keep that out of the game because if it starts like that, how will it finish?

"You have to accept that the referee has made the wrong decision and that he was honest."

 
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He did undermine the referee though by saying "it was 100% a penalty". There are simple ways around such questions, which probably show more respect for the referee's authority and decision.

 
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it was 100% a penalty in my opinion too. Just like that one in San Siro.

 
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He did undermine the referee though by saying "it was 100% a penalty". There are simple ways around such questions, which probably show more respect for the referee's authority and decision.


I disagree.

His answer is just the blatant truth: it WAS a penalty. But he never questioned the referee's impartiality even though he lives only 5km form where Kuyt was brought up.

No doubt Fergie or Mourinho would have used that fact to exploit the referee's decision making. Hence why I give credit to Wenger for not stooping that low, in this instance.

 
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He did undermine the referee though by saying "it was 100% a penalty". There are simple ways around such questions, which probably show more respect for the referee's authority and decision.


I disagree.

His answer is just the blatant truth: it WAS a penalty. But he never questioned the referee's impartiality even though he lives only 5km form where Kuyt was brought up.

No doubt Fergie or Mourinho would have used that fact to exploit the referee's decision making. Hence why I give credit to Wenger for not stooping that low, in this instance.


Be it a penalty or not, it doesn't escape the fact that he is being disrespectful to the referee's judgement, because he's saying he got an 'easy' decision wrong. In an ideal world decisions should be accepted without question, and just because the standards we've come to expect from manager's are low, it does not mean one should be praised for failing to reach such depths. He was still wrong to question the decision, whether he was right or wrong, because the referee is always right. That's part of the whole respect thing we've seen in recent weeks - it's no different to a player showing dissent for a decision on the pitch, even if he knows it's wrong.

And to be frank, he would have been laughed at if he did allude to the referee not being impartial, citing him living in close proximity to Kuyt. That's a load of crap. All Kuyt was saying is that he knows him from the Netherlands because he's refereed matches there (him being Dutch and all), and added that he comes from a region near to where he was brought up. The story that they are 'mates' is ridiculous. English referee's will live in similar distance to some players, but that wouldn't affect their impartiality - and sure as hell doesn't mean they have some sort of friendship.

He has a habit of criticising referee's and i personally can't find reason to praise him.

 
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You are so anal at times!

Wenger just answered a question that was put to him in a post match interview that the ref didn't give a clear penalty. It's just a tiny bit different to running 20 yards to approach the referee, and shouting "FCUK OFF!!!" to him five times, so didn't feed me that RESPECT bullsh1t on this one. It's not applicable.

Everyone makes mistakes, even your very own Rafa Benitez. It's just refereshing that Wenger didn't question the honesty of the referee, especially when he had the potential to do so.

 
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Kind of use to l,pool and the way they manage to get away with stuff like the above now. It's been going on for years though, remember the 70's when they where the dirtiest football team around?

Nothing changes! Rolling Eyes


Why don't you put up a table about it and show how Everton would have won the European Cup if we hand't got them?

Remeber the 70's? I doubt very much you do since you weren't born but hey just repeat the same cliches parrot fashion so you can be a "true blue".

No nothing changes you're right. You write more in Liverpool threads than you EVER will in your own. That tells me all I need to know.

 
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Everyone makes mistakes, even your very own Rafa Benitez. It's just refereshing that Wenger didn't question the honesty of the referee, especially when he had the potential to do so.


Should he have.

Where is Robin Van Persie from again ?

The ref had a very good game and allowed the game to flow.

 
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Bluenose wrote:


Kind of use to l,pool and the way they manage to get away with stuff like the above now. It's been going on for years though, remember the 70's when they where the dirtiest football team around?

Nothing changes! Rolling Eyes


Why don't you put up a table about it and show how Everton would have won the European Cup if we hand't got them?

Remeber the 70's? I doubt very much you do since you weren't born but hey just repeat the same cliches parrot fashion so you can be a "true blue".

No nothing changes you're right. You write more in Liverpool threads than you EVER will in your own. That tells me all I need to know.


Same old boring rubbish from our little nooby wetbar... Laughing

 
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You are so anal at times!

Wenger just answered a question that was put to him in a post match interview that the ref didn't give a clear penalty. It's just a tiny bit different to running 20 yards to approach the referee, and shouting "FCUK OFF!!!" to him five times, so didn't feed me that RESPECT bullsh1t on this one. It's not applicable.


Personally i think it is. It's just that by other managers' standards he's "better", so you decide to praise him. He still questioned the referee's decision. I don't really care about his comments but i just don't think he deserves praise.

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Everyone makes mistakes, even your very own Rafa Benitez. It's just refereshing that Wenger didn't question the honesty of the referee, especially when he had the potential to do so.


I don't see why Benitez or Mascherano's actions should shape my opinion on anything.

Fair play that Wenger didn't question the integrity of the referee but he still questioned his ability, which is all i'm saying. It doesn't help when manager's say the referee got it wrong, and he can easily enough evade it.

 
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Johaldo8 wrote:
You are so anal at times!

Wenger just answered a question that was put to him in a post match interview that the ref didn't give a clear penalty. It's just a tiny bit different to running 20 yards to approach the referee, and shouting "FCUK OFF!!!" to him five times, so didn't feed me that RESPECT bullsh1t on this one. It's not applicable.


Personally i think it is. It's just that by other managers' standards he's "better", so you decide to praise him. He still questioned the referee's decision. I don't really care about his comments but i just don't think he deserves praise.

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Everyone makes mistakes, even your very own Rafa Benitez. It's just refereshing that Wenger didn't question the honesty of the referee, especially when he had the potential to do so.


I don't see why Benitez or Mascherano's actions should shape my opinion on anything.

Fair play that Wenger didn't question the integrity of the referee but he still questioned his ability, which is all i'm saying. It doesn't help when manager's say the referee got it wrong, and he can easily enough evade it.


All he said that was the referee got a decision wrong. That does not mean he is questioning the referee's ability to referee the game! If he done that, he would have said things like "I don't feel the referee was up to managing a big game like this" or "the occasion was too big for the referee" or "the referee was incompetent". Things like that.

It's like saying "Ronaldo made a mistake on Sunday when he should have squared the ball to Rooney instead of shooting for goal." You'd be acknowledging one mistake, but you certainly wouldn't be doubting Ronaldo's ability to play the game.

There's a difference.

 
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Johaldo8 wrote:


Everyone makes mistakes, even your very own Rafa Benitez. It's just refereshing that Wenger didn't question the honesty of the referee, especially when he had the potential to do so.


Should he have.

No, but he could have, like other managers would have done.

Where is Robin Van Persie from again ?

Holland. Point please? I didn't see RVP pulling back a Liverpool player in the box, did you?

The ref had a very good game and allowed the game to flow.

Agreed. He made a key mistake but these things happen.

 
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Personally i think it is. It's just that by other managers' standards he's "better", so you decide to praise him. He still questioned the referee's decision. I don't really care about his comments but i just don't think he deserves praise.

Ok i see.
So that's your real problem,not the fact that he did what any manager would have done!
Why not just get to the point in the first place.Wether Wenger deserves the praise he gets or not is not relevant to this issue.If your personal beliefs cloud your judgement on a serious issue then don't comment.
I do respect you for spilling the beans on your real feelings ,i just wish others here could be that honest .

 
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Torres!!! 2-1 at Anfield. Liverpool 3-2 on aggregate!

 
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To all of those who didn't quite catch on, i was being sarcastic when i said Kewell is better than Ronaldo... OBVIOUSLY!!

No disrespect to Kewell, but he has been poor for Liverpool. He has had trouble with injuries though, but still, for Leeds he was a fantastic player, and at Liverpool we've seen nothing like the Kewell of old.

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