I believe that NONE of the players you mention above are good enough to get into the current Man U side. Torres is the only player that Liverpool have that just might get a game playing for Man U.

Don't agree. They may have played in more cup finals between them, however if you added up european caps per squad - I think United players would have more European caps between them than Liverpool players.

It makes no difference either way though. Let's get back to discussing the match itself.

Playing Rhyl in the qualifiers hardly matters when you get to the big games. It's the experience in the pressure situations that matters.

As for Steven Gerrard not getting in the United side, I would bet Ferguson disagrees.

SAF may well disagree with me over Gerrard, but for me he is just far too inconsistent to warrant a place in the current United side. There are some very talented players he would be trying to displace, he may just get a game as a squad member in order to rest the key players.

Unbelievable. You are now arguing with the most succesful manager you have ever had, the man who has you top of the league and still in europe.

Ferguson was desperate to sign Gerrard and said he would have replaced Keane with him over ANYONE in the world. He's just a squad player though really.....

I'm not arguing with SAF or you, I'm just expressing my opinion, and SAF may well have wanted Gerrard to replace Keane at one point in time, but at this particular moment, Gerrard simply isn't good enough to get in the current side. All in my very humble opinion, of course.

"To me, Gerrard is Keane. He is where Keane was when Roy came to us in 1993. Everywhere the ball is, he is there."

"He's got that unbelievable engine, desire, determination. Anyone would take Gerrard," he said.

Ferguson hardly ever praises anyone that doesn't play for United, that is how you know how much he wants Benzema.

Gerrard would walk into United's first 11 and you are deluding yourself if you think otherwise.

Regarding the qualifying rounds, I am sure it was Liverpool playing those Welsh Giants TNS in the qualifying rounds a couple of years ago - not the other way around.

United have been the most consistant English team qualifying for Champions League over the last 10 years. They have players who have not only won the cup, but also won huge amounts of caps purely by playing year in year out for United.

Scholes just got his 99th European cap - no Liverpool players has done that.
Then you have players such as Neville and Giggs who has also won loads of European caps. These 3 alone have probably won more caps between them than a majority of the Liverpool team.

Giggs - 114 caps
Scholes - 99 caps
Neville - 100+ caps

Where was he in the recent Man U v Liverpool game? He went missing yet again! Where was his engine, desire and determination then? Even SAF can be wrong sometimes. He has made plenty of poor signings over the years to show that he is not infallible.

I know who we played, I picked Rhyl because I was overexaggerating, if you would prefer I could pick Maccabi Haifa, we've both played them. Better?

Yes United have been the most consistent team QUALIFYING but they haven't been the most consistent in Europe as the co-efficients clearly states. We have more players in our team that are WINNERS of the EUROPEAN CUP.

Scholes has 99? Carragher has 101 European caps after tonight and 2 European Cup finals and a UEFA Cup final as well as a world club cup final and 2 European Super Cup appearances.

Giggs and Neville are at best bit part players this Season and as I say their experience though impressive doesn't make up for our experience as a team.

Gerrard would definitely get into the Man U team. If a 19 year old who can't shoot can keep Scholes out of the team, Gerrard would sail in there.

I think Mascherano would easily be in the team as well. Hargreaves is very good, but Mascherano is arguably the best player in his position in the league, or maybe even the world. Hargreaves is fantastic, but he simply can't compete with that kind of level.

Wrong, Sticky just stick to talking about what you actually know please.

Mascherano? He is a very good player. In the league maybe? World no sorry

It's didn't say he was, but i'm sure if there was a large poll put up on a a site like eurosport to find out who was the best defensive midfielder in the world, Masch would win it. He seems to generally be considered as the best in that position.

I'm not saying he is, but i'm not saying he isn't.

Fair enough, i wasn't sure how long Scholes was out, and i suppose when he came back it would've taken him time to get back to match fitness and general fitness.

I still don't know how long he was out, but i'll just take your word for it that Anderson was only ahead of him because of the reasons mentioned.

What players would you say play in his position?

For me Rino Gattuso plays same position as him and Gattuso is world class

I don't know, it's too hard to say.

I'm not a huge fan of Gattuso. He is up there though.

Mascherano would get into the Man Utd team but Gerrard wouldn't on current form. However I reckon a manager like Fergie could consistently get the best out of him in an attacking sense so he has the potential to get into their team.

Vidic is out for 2 to 3 weeks now. I wonder if he'll be fit enough to face Barcelona in the inevitable semi final? And how will it affect the title race?

Who do you reckon would get first dibs at making mash out of Masch if he were bold enough to go through with it? Mancs or Scousers?

On that note, Fergie and Rafa. Title fight. Youth vs Experience. Two men enter, one man leaves. Who do you think would survive?

Who the hell cares?