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Lead story on sky Franz beckenbauer's comments on foreign player gives Sky the chance to bash he Gunners again.It's not a new topic so why now.it wasn't like a fifa summit on the issue,but i guess Sky are a bit desperate to keep the iron hot in their quest to build more animosity towards the mighty Arsenal.

4 teams in the Champions League quarters and every team has a heavy foreign presence ,what does it tell you?Dear old Franz needs to shut up and go over to England and see the youth development and find out why they ain't good enough.

 
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Hmm.

So... What are we discussing?

 
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Arsenal are victims. Sky are idiots.

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Re: ........"Arsenal as an exrtreme case".

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Lead story on sky Franz beckenbauer's comments on foreign player gives Sky the chance to bash he Gunners again.It's not a new topic so why now.it wasn't like a fifa summit on the issue,but i guess Sky are a bit desperate to keep the iron hot in their quest to build more animosity towards the mighty Arsenal.

4 teams in the Champions League quarters and every team has a heavy foreign presence ,what does it tell you?Dear old Franz needs to shut up and go over to England and see the youth development and find out why they ain't good enough.


i wouldn't say every team has a heavy foreign presence.. but we all know which team's leading in that case.. Razz

and beckenbauer's a german.. obviously.. Mad

 

Re: ........"Arsenal as an exrtreme case".

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specnur wrote:
Lead story on sky Franz beckenbauer's comments on foreign player gives Sky the chance to bash he Gunners again.It's not a new topic so why now.it wasn't like a fifa summit on the issue,but i guess Sky are a bit desperate to keep the iron hot in their quest to build more animosity towards the mighty Arsenal.

4 teams in the Champions League quarters and every team has a heavy foreign presence ,what does it tell you?Dear old Franz needs to shut up and go over to England and see the youth development and find out why they ain't good enough.


perhaps it would be helpful if you copied and pasted the offending article... if its not too much trouble.

i have taken the liberty of doing this myself, here it is...

Sky Sports wrote:
Franz Beckenbauer believes that the Premier League is the strongest in the world.

England's top-flight has four representatives in the last eight of the UEFA Champions League, provided three of the four semi-finalists last season, and has had a team in the final for each of the last three campaigns.

Legendary West Germany player and coach Beckenbauer, nicknamed the Kaiser, feels that the players on show in the Premier League put it ahead of the likes of La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga.

And despite England's failure to qualify for Euro 2008, he insists the national side remain a force to be reckoned with.

Success

He told Sky Sports News: "The Premier League in England is probably the strongest league in the whole world.


"You can see all these fantastic players in the Premier League and that's the key to success.


"If you look to the Champions League there are four teams left from England, so English football is still in the leading position in the world.


"The European Championships without England is not the same. England are still one of the best teams in the whole world.


"I think it was an accident. They needed a draw at home against Croatia and they lost the game. I feel very, very sorry for them."


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Critics claim that the recent success of English sides in Europe is mainly down to the influx of foreign talent.


And while Beckenbauer accepts that Arsenal often not having a single English player in their starting XI is 'extreme' it is an issue which affects other leading leagues.


He said: "The situation at Arsenal for example, it's an extreme situation because there is not one English player left in the team.


"But we don't have to look to England, we have to look to ourselves in Germany, 80 to 90 per cent of the teams have mostly foreign players."


now from what i can gather that is all fair comment really.

what exactly do you take issue with?

Sky have simply reported on some comments made by an influential figure in the sport. nothing he says there is controversial or untrue.

where is his Arsenal agenda? he simply points out that they are an extreme with regards to foreign imports... thats the truth. he also goes on to say that in his country 80-90% of teams are like that. hardly full of animosity is he.

the most laughable part of it is you having the cheek to talk down to a man like Franz Beckebauer. im sure Franz could learn a lot from a man like you.

 

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specnur wrote:
Lead story on sky Franz beckenbauer's comments on foreign player gives Sky the chance to bash he Gunners again.It's not a new topic so why now.it wasn't like a fifa summit on the issue,but i guess Sky are a bit desperate to keep the iron hot in their quest to build more animosity towards the mighty Arsenal.

4 teams in the Champions League quarters and every team has a heavy foreign presence ,what does it tell you?Dear old Franz needs to shut up and go over to England and see the youth development and find out why they ain't good enough.


perhaps it would be helpful if you copied and pasted the offending article... if its not too much trouble.

i have taken the liberty of doing this myself, here it is...

Sky Sports wrote:
Franz Beckenbauer believes that the Premier League is the strongest in the world.

England's top-flight has four representatives in the last eight of the UEFA Champions League, provided three of the four semi-finalists last season, and has had a team in the final for each of the last three campaigns.

Legendary West Germany player and coach Beckenbauer, nicknamed the Kaiser, feels that the players on show in the Premier League put it ahead of the likes of La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga.

And despite England's failure to qualify for Euro 2008, he insists the national side remain a force to be reckoned with.

Success

He told Sky Sports News: "The Premier League in England is probably the strongest league in the whole world.


"You can see all these fantastic players in the Premier League and that's the key to success.


"If you look to the Champions League there are four teams left from England, so English football is still in the leading position in the world.


"The European Championships without England is not the same. England are still one of the best teams in the whole world.


"I think it was an accident. They needed a draw at home against Croatia and they lost the game. I feel very, very sorry for them."


Situation

Critics claim that the recent success of English sides in Europe is mainly down to the influx of foreign talent.


And while Beckenbauer accepts that Arsenal often not having a single English player in their starting XI is 'extreme' it is an issue which affects other leading leagues.


He said: "The situation at Arsenal for example, it's an extreme situation because there is not one English player left in the team.


"But we don't have to look to England, we have to look to ourselves in Germany, 80 to 90 per cent of the teams have mostly foreign players."


now from what i can gather that is all fair comment really.

what exactly do you take issue with?

Sky have simply reported on some comments made by an influential figure in the sport. nothing he says there is controversial or untrue.

where is his Arsenal agenda? he simply points out that they are an extreme with regards to foreign imports... thats the truth. he also goes on to say that in his country 80-90% of teams are like that. hardly full of animosity is he.

the most laughable part of it is you having the cheek to talk down to a man like Franz Beckebauer. im sure Franz could learn a lot from a man like you.


Perhaps that is why Specnur didn't quote the actual story? What Beckenbauer said was perfectly reasonable, and accurate.

It's laughable that Specnur tries to claim some sort of "anomiosity" posed towards his beloved Arsenal when if anything Beckenbauer was defending them, saying the situation is/has been no different in other countries.

 
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precisely

 
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I agree with Franz Beckenbauer apart from England are still one of the best teams in the world.

England are not one of the best teams in the world. I wouldn't say we were even in the top 10 of the best teams. It is one of worst England sides I've seen for a long time.

 
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The Premier League is the best league in the world because it combines English fans and aspects of the traditional english game with the more technically gifted foreign players.

England prove time and time again that without the foreigners to add the quality that the English lads with true quality are few and far between.

I can see nothing wrong with what der kaiser has said.

 
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yeah ...what is wrong with that statement ..... Laughing

 

Re: ........"Arsenal as an exrtreme case".

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Ben91 wrote:
Steely Hill wrote:
specnur wrote:
Lead story on sky Franz beckenbauer's comments on foreign player gives Sky the chance to bash he Gunners again.It's not a new topic so why now.it wasn't like a fifa summit on the issue,but i guess Sky are a bit desperate to keep the iron hot in their quest to build more animosity towards the mighty Arsenal.

4 teams in the Champions League quarters and every team has a heavy foreign presence ,what does it tell you?Dear old Franz needs to shut up and go over to England and see the youth development and find out why they ain't good enough.


perhaps it would be helpful if you copied and pasted the offending article... if its not too much trouble.

i have taken the liberty of doing this myself, here it is...

Sky Sports wrote:
Franz Beckenbauer believes that the Premier League is the strongest in the world.

England's top-flight has four representatives in the last eight of the UEFA Champions League, provided three of the four semi-finalists last season, and has had a team in the final for each of the last three campaigns.

Legendary West Germany player and coach Beckenbauer, nicknamed the Kaiser, feels that the players on show in the Premier League put it ahead of the likes of La Liga, Serie A and the Bundesliga.

And despite England's failure to qualify for Euro 2008, he insists the national side remain a force to be reckoned with.

Success

He told Sky Sports News: "The Premier League in England is probably the strongest league in the whole world.


"You can see all these fantastic players in the Premier League and that's the key to success.


"If you look to the Champions League there are four teams left from England, so English football is still in the leading position in the world.


"The European Championships without England is not the same. England are still one of the best teams in the whole world.


"I think it was an accident. They needed a draw at home against Croatia and they lost the game. I feel very, very sorry for them."


Situation

Critics claim that the recent success of English sides in Europe is mainly down to the influx of foreign talent.


And while Beckenbauer accepts that Arsenal often not having a single English player in their starting XI is 'extreme' it is an issue which affects other leading leagues.


He said: "The situation at Arsenal for example, it's an extreme situation because there is not one English player left in the team.


"But we don't have to look to England, we have to look to ourselves in Germany, 80 to 90 per cent of the teams have mostly foreign players."


now from what i can gather that is all fair comment really.

what exactly do you take issue with?

Sky have simply reported on some comments made by an influential figure in the sport. nothing he says there is controversial or untrue.

where is his Arsenal agenda? he simply points out that they are an extreme with regards to foreign imports... thats the truth. he also goes on to say that in his country 80-90% of teams are like that. hardly full of animosity is he.

the most laughable part of it is you having the cheek to talk down to a man like Franz Beckebauer. im sure Franz could learn a lot from a man like you.


Perhaps that is why Specnur didn't quote the actual story? What Beckenbauer said was perfectly reasonable, and accurate.

It's laughable that Specnur tries to claim some sort of "anomiosity" posed towards his beloved Arsenal when if anything Beckenbauer was defending them, saying the situation is/has been no different in other countries.



How can he say that it was an accident that england lost to croatia! with no disrespect to the mentally challenged ,that is retarded.They had to draw and they lost ,they are NOT good enough.Franz.B. was kissing *ss because he was asked a certain question by a British reporter.
Call it being diplomatic if you want, i call him being spineless because he's just being a fifa official.

The facts are .
1. Top four teams in the league have a heavy foreign presence.
2.t Those same teams still remain in the champs league quarter finals.
3. The National team never made it into Europe.

= British players are not good enough. Like it or not.
Now Sky will try and paint the picture that British players are suffering because of the foreign influx,in an attempt to deflect attention away from the lack of technical ability of their countrymen. Sir Trev had the b*lls to say it so why not listen.

That same Arsenal team almost won the Champs league with 10 (foreign) men.
I have always said that the prem is the best in the world and Arsenal are only as good as what they are because they are in the Prem,with that aggressive style of play.There is nothing actually wrong with most of what he said i took issue with a few comments.My problem is why Sky are reporting on this matter last week ,what made this a lead story.I find it bizarre and completely out of the blue.It has no relation to the recent topics of respect or dirty play or the massive champ league games that we are in the middle of.
Rather than be proud of the fact that British teams are at the forefront of the modern game they would rather quote somebody talking about it in a negative light.

Foreign players in the league is not a negative it's a positive ,if they weren't here the league would be sh*t.They need to focus on why British talent is hard to find and why they lag behind every other established footballing country.

 

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How can he say that it was an accident that england lost to croatia! with no disrespect to the mentally challenged ,that is retarded.They had to draw and they lost ,they are NOT good enough.Franz.B. was kissing *ss because he was asked a certain question by a British reporter.
Call it being diplomatic if you want, i call him being spineless because he's just being a fifa official.

Confused now i dont claim to be an expert on The Kaiser but i dont think he works for FIFA or indeed could ever be described as a FIFA official... i could be wrong but im quite sure he has no dealings with them in an employment sense. i think England are good enough to beat Croatia but sadly the were not good enough on the respective nights. Franz Beckenbauer is one of the finest players to have graced the game, he commands repsect the moment he enters the room. do you think he really needs to or would even bother kissing the arse of some two bob hack?

The facts are .
1. Top four teams in the league have a heavy foreign presence.
2.t Those same teams still remain in the champs league quarter finals.
3. The National team never made it into Europe.

1. of course. Franz does say this. indeed he points out its the same if not worse in his home country.
2. obviously.. dont quite get your point there...
3. again, obviously. Franz also said this.


= British players are not good enough. Like it or not.
Now Sky will try and paint the picture that British players are suffering because of the foreign influx,in an attempt to deflect attention away from the lack of technical ability of their countrymen. Sir Trev had the b*lls to say it so why not listen.

not good enough for what? what relevance does that have with Franz's comments? sky have not made any comment. they have quoted one of the most influential and most respected ambassadors of the game while he talks of the game in our country that is all.

That same Arsenal team almost won the Champs league with 10 (foreign) men.
I have always said that the prem is the best in the world and Arsenal are only as good as what they are because they are in the Prem,with that aggressive style of play.There is nothing actually wrong with most of what he said i took issue with a few comments.My problem is why Sky are reporting on this matter last week ,what made this a lead story.I find it bizarre and completely out of the blue.It has no relation to the recent topics of respect or dirty play or the massive champ league games that we are in the middle of.
Rather than be proud of the fact that British teams are at the forefront of the modern game they would rather quote somebody talking about it in a negative light.

franz does not say anything negative about Arsenal or any other english club. why the hell shouldnt sky report it? they are a broadcasting company that bring in news from around the globe 24 hours a day. this means a constant flow of news, some important some not so important and it obviously does not cater for everybody every time. One of the worlds leading footballers speaks out about england and people will want to hear what the great man says. they are simply passing on the words of Franz.

Foreign players in the league is not a negative it's a positive ,if they weren't here the league would be sh*t.They need to focus on why British talent is hard to find and why they lag behind every other established footballing country.

who needs to focus on that? Sky? they are a broadcasting company, not a football development academy.

 
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Your wrong steely

Beckenbauer to work as social ambassador for FIFA


May 28, 2007, 10:52 GMT


Zurich - Franz Beckenbauer will work as a social ambassador for FIFA when he becomes a member of of the organization's Executive Committee later this week.

'This fits in very well with my ideas and thoughts. Internationally, I am very interested in supporting the poorest FIFA members,' the 61-year-old football legend said in an interview published Monday on the website of the German football federation DFB.

Beckenbauer, who will replace Gerhard Mayer-Vorfelder on the FIFA Executive Committee Thursday, added that South Africa required total support in hosting the 2010 World Cup.

'The pride of all of Africa hangs on this World Cup,' he said.

Joseph Blatter will also be voted FIFA president for a third term at the Congress as the 71-year-old Swiss is the only candidate for the post.

'This is a great sign of confidence in me and demonstrates the unity within the football family,' said Blatter, who has already held the post for nine years.

http://sport.monstersandcritics.com/soccer/article_1310213.php

So aswell as Bayern he also works for Fifa

 
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like i said, i was not sure.

its irrelevant to the point i was making anyway to be fair

 
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like i said, i was not sure.

its irrelevant to the point i was making anyway to be fair


You did go on to say
" now i dont claim to be an expert on The Kaiser but i dont think he works for FIFA or indeed could ever be described as a FIFA official... i could be wrong but im quite sure he has no dealings with them in an employment sense".

No point with this statement. Your just making things up.

 
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dont you get tired of following people around like a stalker? first floody, now me.

what are you on about 'no point' with it? i didnt make anything up, i was questioning the claim that he worked for FIFA as i was unsure (which i clearly stated). that was the point. i was interested to know if he did work for them and as that fact seemed to centre arond specnurs rant it was obviously quite important to the topic at hand.

Next.

 
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G_Man wrote:
Steely Hill wrote:
like i said, i was not sure.

its irrelevant to the point i was making anyway to be fair


You did go on to say
" now i dont claim to be an expert on The Kaiser but i dont think he works for FIFA or indeed could ever be described as a FIFA official... i could be wrong but im quite sure he has no dealings with them in an employment sense".

No point with this statement. Your just making things up.



At this juncture some would gloat.I will move on with class.

My point was why are sky giving this lead story coverage,when we are in the middle of Champions League quarters amongst other things.It has no relevance whatsoever and is nothing but a sad attempt at sh*t stirring. They used Arsenal's name in the opening to the show concerning this topic in an obvious attempt to sway public opinion make no mistake about it.
I mean if your the average Brit this kind of "subliminal" brainwashing will go unnoticed, but to me it's obvious what they are trying to do,because the story came out of nowhere and was basically an item last year.

 
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Well now ive told you that he does.

Floody is past.

Like you say Next.

Didnt not follow you. Keep dreaming about that if you want. Was clearly looking at this topic and i new you had wrong information so was stating that he does work for Fifa with some proof.

Next!

 
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specnur wrote:
G_Man wrote:
Steely Hill wrote:
like i said, i was not sure.

its irrelevant to the point i was making anyway to be fair


You did go on to say
" now i dont claim to be an expert on The Kaiser but i dont think he works for FIFA or indeed could ever be described as a FIFA official... i could be wrong but im quite sure he has no dealings with them in an employment sense".

No point with this statement. Your just making things up.



At this juncture some would gloat.I will move on with class.

My point was why are sky giving this lead story coverage,when we are in the middle of Champions League quarters amongst other things.It has no relevance whatsoever and is nothing but a sad attempt at sh*t stirring. They used Arsenal's name in the opening to the show concerning this topic in an obvious attempt to sway public opinion make no mistake about it.
I mean if your the average Brit this kind of "subliminal" brainwashing will go unnoticed, but to me it's obvious what they are trying to do,because the story came out of nowhere and was basically an item last year.


Laughing

brainwashing!? you are so paranoid you must be on coke.

your concern for us 'Brits' is touching but unnecessary.

you will move on with class? just by saying that you have 'gloated'!! like i said i wasnt wrong, i was merely unaware like i clearly stated form the beginning.

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