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The days of the "friendly" derby are long gone , if they ever really existed at all .

People talk about the '84 Milk Cup Final , as Merseyside travelled side by side to London etc etc . But even back then it could get pretty tasty in Stanley Park immediately after a derby match .

As for the Evertonians singing to Gerrard ..... I may be biased but I think it's been blown out of all proportion . He's chosen to marry a slapper , and the Everton fans have been singing that song for ages , so why all the fuss now .

Similarly , Neville getting abuse Shocked ....... fans always shout stuff at the opposition, and so long as it's not racist then I really don't see the problem .

If it turns out that Neville was punched or Lescott was racially abused then that's a different matter .

 
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Do you post here just to argue with people. I cant remember a post which wasnt a come back or a start of or in an argument. Are people not allowed to post there opinions. When they do all you do is tell them they are wrong even when there not.

Liverpool and Everton may well of gotten on well together, but like 5murfy said when both teams are competing for the final Champions League spot, both needing not to loose to have a realistic chance of getting that 4th spot its never going to be friendly.



If something is posted as an opinion then so be it, it can't be wrong.

If something is put forward as fact and is miles wide and about my team I will challenge it.

It has absolutely nothing to do with 4th spot whatsoever, but then what would I know I only support the team, live in the city and go to the games. Rolling Eyes


Huuussssh.

Smurfy said that because the teams were both competing for 4th spot there was no chance it could be a friendly match. And you told him he had no clue. So what im saying is no need to say it like you did. Just tell him your views and say you dont agree. Just because you live in Liverpool doesnt mean you know everything about this topic.


Listen you muppet you are the one starting now and I'm going to put you back in your box so read on:

THE TOPIC WAS THE MERSEYSIDE DERBY.

Therefore it is not unreasonable to assuem that the post was in relation to that subject.

We are both chasing 4th (sadly) so it was not out of order for me to assume that is what he was on.

He has since alluded to the fact that he was not clear and I have let it go.

YOU ARE THE ONE CARRYING IT ON.


You cheeky sod. Laughing

 
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fans always shout stuff at the opposition, and so long as it's not racist then I really don't see the problem .

If it turns out that Neville was punched or Lescott was racially abused then that's a different matter .


Totally agree with that mate

 
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fans always shout stuff at the opposition, and so long as it's not racist then I really don't see the problem .

If it turns out that Neville was punched or Lescott was racially abused then that's a different matter .


Totally agree with that mate


i cant get my head around that mentality.

its ok for people to shout personal obscenities and such like against a man's wife and innocent young child, mock somebody with a broken leg, laugh at deceased people connected with any particular club or perhaps hang an effigy of a person outside the football ground but the moment you mention a man's colour you have crossed the line?

this is one f*cked up world with some screwed up logic.

 
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Liverpool and Everton fans do get on well together the only time it gets nasty is on derby days

 
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fans always shout stuff at the opposition, and so long as it's not racist then I really don't see the problem .

If it turns out that Neville was punched or Lescott was racially abused then that's a different matter .


Totally agree with that mate


i cant get my head around that mentality.

its ok for people to shout personal obscenities and such like against a man's wife and innocent young child, mock somebody with a broken leg, laugh at deceased people connected with any particular club or perhaps hang an effigy of a person outside the football ground but the moment you mention a man's colour you have crossed the line?

this is one f*cked up world with some screwed up logic.


Well said.

Shouting abuse about a mentally retarded child is the lowest of the low in my opinion; ten times worse than taking the p1ss out of one's skin colour.

 
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Funny why the worst hostilities come from Anfield..... They are supposed to be the better team on the field so what is the rational for it????? Can't be envy, jealousy or self esteem......

Rolling Eyes

 
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On another note, did anyone else thing the on the field business was more tame than usual? Aside from the crowd.

 
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Funny why the worst hostilities come from Anfield..... They are supposed to be the better team on the field so what is the rational for it????? Can't be envy, jealousy or self esteem......

Rolling Eyes


Been to many Merseyside derbies have we?

 
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Let me just clear up a few things.

Neville wasn't punched. It was a fabrication (as per) based on a nothing incident.

I saw the whole thing from the bottom right hand corner of the Kop.

Neville was getting stick as you would expect and he was getting a bit carried away but holding his temper. Then he took a throw in by a group of fans and backed onto this lads hands. The lad made did push out at him but that was all it was, a reflex reaction after having his hands wedged between neville and the hoardings.

I wolf whistled at the incident because it was no more than handbags.

Then cue Everton's P.R department saying Neville was punched and watch the puppets dance again.

Yakubu wasn't racially abused he was compared to local offender about whom all information can be found here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Aki

Not the nicest thing in the world but not racially motivated. Before someone says it was because aki is black, does that mean because I get called Crouch sometimes for being white and tall that it is racist? It's not a nice thing to say and despite my guilt chuckle the first time I heard it I don't approve of it but what the kop sang to Yakubu was not racist.

I heard absolutely nothing about Carsley or his kids, not one thing all game. I have since spoken to people dotted all around Anfield for this game who heard nothing of the kind either. Make of that what you will.

I felt most sorry for Lescott as he actually turned round (possibly in disbelief) to see what the Kop were chanting about him. "Joleen Lescott, the elephant man". Again anyone would like to tell me what is racist about that then i'm all ears.

It is not classy, it is certainly not what we know as the Liverpool way but you have to understand that the abuse we have not responded to at Goodison has been going on for many a year. We've been provoked by Everton fans. Out of the interest of respect to any good Evertonians I will not name them unless provoked, the only such incident I will touch on to make a point is Steven Gerrard.

Gerrard was hounded at Goodison for years as you would expect, he didn't help himself by flying in their face when he scored. However for the last couple of years he has been subject to chants of "the baby's not yours".

My point is that Everton are laughable for trying to take the high ground and the media jumping all over this and trying to make it out to be big bad Liverpool are as predictable as ever. Not once was the abuse of Steven Gerrard reported in the way a few nasty but none racial songs and the light contact of Neville has been.

Double standards yet again and once again those that believe everything in print lap it up and wait for their next anti scouse meal.

Here is a thought, perhaps the reaction Everton got the other week was down to what we have been getting every visit from and to them since the mid 80's, perhaps it was so newsworthy for Liverpool because it was so uncharacteristic of Liverpool supporters as a whole.

Nah that couldn't be it. Scouse Scum.

Oh and I wonder why this story never made a national newspaper:

Exclusive by Philip Kirkbride, the Skelmersdale Advertiser



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A Dream trip to the quarter-finals of the Champions League quickly turned into a nightmare for a young football team from Skelmersdale.

The Arriva Youth under-15s had won a once-in-a-lifetime prize of free tickets to watch Liverpool’s clash with Arsenal last night (Wednesday).

But the evening soon turned sour when they were unceremoniously ejected from the Emirates Stadium.

Bizarrely seated amongst the hard-core element of Arsenal supporters, the football-mad youngsters were victims of a torrent of abuse from adult Gunner supporters.

As proud Liverpool fans, the under-15s celebrated Dirk Kuyt’s 26th minute equaliser, but they were soon turfed out.

Arsenal stewards escorted the boys, and the three adults accompanying them, from their seats and out of the ground.

Stranded outside in unfamiliar surroundings, the children and their guardians went looking for answers but were refused entry back into the stadium.

Ray Radford, manager of the U-15s, was furious at the way his team had been treated and demanded that his shocked players get back in to watch the game.

He said: "We were having a great day until Liverpool scored. We were seated smack bang in the lion’s den and were abused by grown men - men in suits.

"These weren’t louts. They started shouting at the lads as soon as they realised we were Scousers.

"They started shouting about Michael Shields and Heysel - it was pandemonium.

"After we’d celebrated Kuyt’s goal, we were spoken to by the stewards and told to leave the ground.

"Even though I explained to him that the lads were guests of UEFA, because of the competition win, they still chucked us out."

Left stricken outside the ground the lads, wearing special UEFA tracksuits given to them as prize winners, continued to be hurled with abuse from passing footy yobs.

Radford eventually managed to get hold of a female UEFA official but he says she was of little help.

Ray added: "The female UEFA official said we weren’t allowed back in the ground and just left us there.

"We eventually walked round to a part of the stadium we recognised and managed to talk to the UEFA project manager, a guy called Simon Calder.

"He apologised for what had happened saying it was 'unacceptable, appalling and totally unprofessional'.

"But he said that Arsenal were not going to allow us back in the ground.

"We were eventually granted access back to our mini-bus but were not allowed to leave the ground until 11pm.

"By this stage, the lads were very anxious, quiet and very, very scared.

"They were stressed and because we weren’t allowed back in the ground, we missed the rest of the game."

The Advertiser spoke to Ollie Tritton but he declined to comment. UEFA official Simon Calder was unavailable for comment.

 
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Oh and I wonder why this story never made a national newspaper:

Exclusive by Philip Kirkbride, the Skelmersdale Advertiser


I live in Australia and ive read that article, hardly buried by the anti-Liverpool conspiracy.



Why dont you mention the Liverpool fans who once again forged fake tickets en masse and forced their way illegally into the ground and made it unsafe for fans and unavailable for purchasers of real tickets?

 
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Oh and I wonder why this story never made a national newspaper:

Exclusive by Philip Kirkbride, the Skelmersdale Advertiser


I live in Australia and ive read that article, hardly buried by the anti-Liverpool conspiracy.



Why dont you mention the Liverpool fans who once again forged fake tickets en masse and forced their way illegally into the ground and made it unsafe for fans and unavailable for purchasers of real tickets?


So what if you live in Aus did you get if from an English source?

Football fans in fake ticket shock, really? Have you ever actually been to a big european away game in your life (oh wait no you are a Spurs fan from Aus). It happens all the time and as such I thought people were already aware of it.

Oh and don't give it the sarcy "conspiracy" [beep!], this countries media has been against Liverpool for a good while now and not just when it comes to football.

Did you happen to see "The Culture Show" and their coverage of "Liverpool 08". They had a manc and a geordie on that basically sat and took the [beep!] out of the city.

Something about smoke and fire doesn't add up when it comes to things being reported about Liverpool.

We are no angels and having been at Athens I know that all too well but not everything is as black and white as the media make it out to be and a bit of Journalism wouldn't go a miss now and then.

 
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A large proportion of Liverpool fans are lowlife pikey scumbags and therefore anything I hear about them stealing tickets off little kids, cramming into stadiums ticketless or shouting obscenities at a player's mentally retarded daughter is just the norm as far as I'm concerned.

 
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A large proportion of Liverpool fans are lowlife pikey scumbags and therefore anything I hear about them stealing tickets off little kids, cramming into stadiums ticketless or shouting obscenities at a player's mentally retarded daughter is just the norm as far as I'm concerned.


From someone who seems to be a lot more clued up that is a very narrow minded comment.

Then again you are a tight jewish [beep!].

Oh look I can do the same as well.

 
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Laughing

I didn't say all Liverpool fans did I? Just the lowlife pikey scumbag ones. Surely you're not one of them, so why take offence at that? Wink

PS - I'm not Jewish. Although I do have a padlock on my dustbin.

 
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Laughing

I didn't say all Liverpool fans did I? Just the lowlife pikey scumbag ones. Surely you're not one of them, so why take offence at that? Wink

PS - I'm not Jewish. Although I do have a padlock on my dustbin.


There are too many tossers as with most teams that come from large cities. The point is though that the major incidents that take place are more to do with individuals and then the whole lot of us are tarred as a group because these bellends are too selfish and scummy to think of other people.

I've travelled with Liverpool before and I can tell you that it is nowhere near the kind of numbers that you are trying to make out that are responsible for the stories you all seem to take such pleasure in.

I've seen the urchins and their ilk and they make me sick, I've actually made a point of telling a few of them so which wasn't my smartest ever move and I've also been threatened for not joining in about songs of Munich and such.

The fact remains though I know far more about what goes on than the spoon fed drivel that you people get and I am telling you now that it is well out of order to suggest that Anfield and those that inhabit it on a match day is some sort of dungeon of debauchery where you should fear being robbed, attacked or racially abused.

I am proud to say that as a whole the place is a very tolerant and understanding venue that unfortunately has a few nobheads that are soon put in their place when they start their munich shite at Anfield.

I've seen people hide behind poor policing and the like when things have got nasty but the point is a lot of the time they have got nasty because both sides have wanted it that way. I've seen and been caught up in the false bravado that goes along with "fighting for your club" and not once did it ever make any sense to me. I never once felt like I was "fighting for Liverpool" I was just put in a situation with these people where I had no other choice.

Things are not simply as black and white as they are made out in the paper and as your onslaught showed you are happy and almost expectant of the next sensationalised story that you can throw back in our faces.

No one is sitting here and saying that we are blameless and in some cases we should not try and blame the rest of the world when we were either clearly to blame or at least partly so. At the same time though, I believe you can look at how Michael Shields' story was handled by the media and the fact that people still don't know the facts now and would rather not know as it is a handy stick to beat scousers with.

How ironic the mancs who took such joy in the suffering of Shileds being falsely imprisoned are now pleading for the release of their own who they feel were unjustly treated.

 
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having had the dubious pleasure of visiting anfield i can safely say it is not the freinedly welcoming place you make it out to be.

the back streets and alleyways are littered with scumbags looking to have a row, while they may not actually go to anfield they are just as much a part of your club, crawling out of the woodwork when Liverpool play. you could argue that there is little the club can do but then the counter argument would be that its the capital of unemployment, Liverpool itself that is the problem, not just the footbll team. i myself have also seen and been involved in trouble around Stanley Park also.

the media may focus on Liverpool but its hardly a suprise is it. what other club has the same amounts of incidents in recent years? i know what goes on at football and from my experience Liverpool are two extremes, there are the good natured Liverpool fans that are up for a laugh but for every one of those there is another that is a complete scumbag who would rob his own nan for an extra fiver in his lacoste tracksuit pocket.

 
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having had the dubious pleasure of visiting anfield i can safely say it is not the freinedly welcoming place you make it out to be.

the back streets and alleyways are littered with scumbags looking to have a row, while they may not actually go to anfield they are just as much a part of your club, crawling out of the woodwork when Liverpool play. you could argue that there is little the club can do but then the counter argument would be that its the capital of unemployment, Liverpool itself that is the problem, not just the footbll team. i myself have also seen and been involved in trouble around Stanley Park also. I could say the same of the Eastend or any other major city's football club that I have ever been to but we are talking about the fans and the stadium is the only place you can know they are fans, did you ever stop to think that some of those scumbags you mention might not support Liverpool? Don't forget, apparently none of us are from Liverpool.... I've seen trouble many a time in Stanley Park, when I used to live by there as a kid it was known as somewhere you didn't go on match days and a lot of away fans knew this as well but would walk across instead of round anyway in an attempt to show they weren't bothered. That's inviting trouble.

the media may focus on Liverpool but its hardly a suprise is it. what other club has the same amounts of incidents in recent years? i know what goes on at football and from my experience Liverpool are two extremes, there are the good natured Liverpool fans that are up for a laugh but for every one of those there is another that is a complete scumbag who would rob his own nan for an extra fiver in his lacoste tracksuit pocket.


They focus on us as they have since the 80's and probably always will. The good thing about us consistently being in Europe thesedays is that the Europeans who don't bother to read the English media know that Liverpool fan's are not this group they are perceived to be at all and they know us as the friendly well meaning fans (in general) that we are.

Like I said there will always be incidents but when the papers are just waiting with anticaption for any anti Liverpool related story then we will always be made out worse than we actually are. Of course if these dickheads stopped giving the city a bad name in the first place there would be nothing to report but that doesn't change the fact the media live to bad mouth us and have since the 80's.

Can I ask when the last time you had the "dubious" pleasure of visting Anfield was?

 
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Can I ask when the last time you had the "dubious" pleasure of visting Anfield was?


the start of last season.

 
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Would you accept that Liverpool has more than its fair share of trouble concerning its supporters?

What happened to the "friendly" Merseyside derby?
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