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Has Arsene Wenger lost the plot?

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I say this as someone who likes and respects Arsenal, but I have to question what Wenger is up to. He has all kinds of money to spend and chooses instead to not improve his team the way other managers like SAF and Grant have done.

It appears to me he is more interested in looking like a genius by being competitive while not spending money while his competition wins by spending a lot of money. His primary focus should be winning trophies if Arsenal wants to pass itself off as a 'big club', yet I don't see this as being possible unless he spend some dough. It's that simple. He can blame injuries all he wants, but he isn't the only manager facing that.

If he gets more satisfaction by hearing people say 'wow wenger is a brilliant manager; he came so close to winning the title and he didn't spend any money!' than he does from lifting trophies, then so be it. But as a supporter I can't say I would be very happy with this approach.

 
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He lost the plot along time ago

 
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I personally think he is a fantastic manager - and no he has not lost the plot.

 
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He didn't see the money.

 
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He was given money to spend in the January transfer window, but honestly there was really no one he could have brought in (that was available) that would have truly been beneficial to the squad at the time. At that current time, we still had Eduardo, and Van Persie was coming back. No one could foresee Eduardo breaking a leg, and Van Persie having to sit another month or so. Rosicky was also back at the time. We didn't have too many injury issues back in January. I do still believe that he should have brought in a couple extra players as cover just in case, especially after letting Diarra go to Portsmouth.

I do feel that Wenger will spend money come this summer to fortify the squad. But like always, he's not going to spend some crazy amount of money on one player.

Now we have to keep in mind that Carlos Vela, and Fran Merida are coming back next year. So they will be like 'new signings' on top of what I hope Wenger brings in for experienced cover in key positions. (Samir Nasri, Ben Arfa will be the two main people we bring in hopefully).

 

Re: Has Arsene Wenger lost the plot?

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JoeVols wrote:
I say this as someone who likes and respects Arsenal, but I have to question what Wenger is up to. He has all kinds of money to spend and chooses instead to not improve his team the way other managers like SAF and Grant have done.

It appears to me he is more interested in looking like a genius by being competitive while not spending money while his competition wins by spending a lot of money. His primary focus should be winning trophies if Arsenal wants to pass itself off as a 'big club', yet I don't see this as being possible unless he spend some dough. It's that simple. He can blame injuries all he wants, but he isn't the only manager facing that.

If he gets more satisfaction by hearing people say 'wow wenger is a brilliant manager; he came so close to winning the title and he didn't spend any money!' than he does from lifting trophies, then so be it. But as a supporter I can't say I would be very happy with this approach.


I will agree that he needs to spend money on new players,but him loosing the plot is a bit harsh.
The man is a genius and he hasn't really changed his policy on the way he does things. While these other managers buy ready made talent Arsene likes to develop his players unless they carry the type of quality that can fit right in which is not easy. I like the way he does things but i have to admit and i am sure he has said, that he miscalculated this season. He did Get Diarra ,but the player was impatient and wanted out for fear of playing time. The problem is that he needs players at the back and up front and i don't see anything coming through in the academy,or let's say i haven't this season. The mid filed is set as far as i can see but the team is very thin and it has shown this season. If he didn't have to deal with injuries they would have had the title locked up two weeks ago.

I think the criticism he's getting is outrageous ,like everyone is concerned for Arsenal football club ,give me a break. The man took a team of relative nobodies for a fraction of the cost of his rivals and did something no other manager will ever do again by going undefeated an entire prem season. The press hates the fact and obviously the other rival mangers like sir alex has top wake up every day and know that he will never accomplish this ever. So as much as those detractors want to criticize the man, they will never take away his accomplishments at the end of the day.

 
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He is great at finding young talent. Just in recent times hasnt did alot. Came so close yet so far. When he first came seemed to do well winning the league. Great players he had then. Arsenal has a few great players in his team right now but alot of good players right now.

 
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G_Man wrote:
He is great at finding young talent. Just in recent times hasnt did alot. Came so close yet so far. When he first came seemed to do well winning the league. Great players he had then. Arsenal has a few great players in his team right now but alot of good players right now.


Define "great"? As in household names? a lot of the players who were great for Arsenal only became great under Wenger.He see's great talent where others don't and builds great players like Vieira,Henry etc.
The style of football he has his team play has proven itself ,so nobody can question the man.
Right now he has a team of very good players who work as one and who's main focus is for the team and not their own personal stats.I guy like Ronaldo would never make it on a wenger team,because he's not of the right mentality and not consistent enough in the big games. I say this because Ronaldo today is considered a "great" player by the majority of people in the press and on the streets.But not by me........yet!

 
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G_Man wrote:
He is great at finding young talent. Just in recent times hasnt did alot. Came so close yet so far. When he first came seemed to do well winning the league. Great players he had then. Arsenal has a few great players in his team right now but alot of good players right now.


But a lot of these players are also young and are still developing. They will only get better and more mature next year. These players haven't hit their peak potential yet. Just imagine when they do.

Fabregas, Clichy, Walcott, Denilson, Diaby all have a lot in them to grow, they are still developing as players. The present status at Arsenal with winning cups might not be great, but the future holds very bright things. A couple of key ingredients here and there and more depth on the squad could really push us over the edge to becoming the greatest club out there. It's just a matter of getting over that edge at the moment.

Last year, we struggled against the lower table clubs by not finishing them off, but we excelled against the "big 4". This year we've learned to deal with the lower table clubs, and still perform against the "big 4". I just feel that fatigue has caught up with us a bit this year (similar to last year) with our squad being rather small for all the competitions we are in.

 
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specnur wrote:
G_Man wrote:
He is great at finding young talent. Just in recent times hasnt did alot. Came so close yet so far. When he first came seemed to do well winning the league. Great players he had then. Arsenal has a few great players in his team right now but alot of good players right now.


Define "great"? As in household names? a lot of the players who were great for Arsenal only became great under Wenger.He see's great talent where others don't and builds great players like Vieira,Henry etc.
The style of football he has his team play has proven itself ,so nobody can question the man.
Right now he has a team of very good players who work as one and who's main focus is for the team and not their own personal stats.I guy like Ronaldo would never make it on a wenger team,because he's not of the right mentality and not consistent enough in the big games. I say this because Ronaldo today is considered a "great" player by the majority of people in the press and on the streets.But not by me........yet!


World class - Fabregas = gifted
great - rosicky = Has some poor games

 
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If Arsenal end up potless then he will be under pressure to spend and deliver next season.

Having said that, there is no way he deserves any sort of criticism as Arsenal are still in the hunt for the Premiership and the Champions' League. Compared to recent seasons, his side have made a significant improvement this season. That shouldn't be overlooked.

 
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well of course winning trophies is the main thing for any club . I dont think there is a chance in hell that Arsene Wenger would ever get the sack from Arsenal ...unless he did not win anything in the next 3 or 4 years ..

The facts are he is the most succesful manger in Arsenal`s history , the opposition this season has been better ...Man Utd , Chelsea and Liverpool of course as always ...but then we have Man City , Portsmouth , Middlesbrough , Tottenham , Aston Villa , Blackburn ...all these have proved ver difficult to beat .

We have actually done better this year but of course we still may end up with nothing again ....i hope that is not the case and tomorrow will settle one remaining trophy chance anyway .

 
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I think a lot of people miss the point that Arsenal were written off at the start of the season ,most people had them barely getting into the top 5 let alone leading the table up until a week ago.They had to rebuild their side after loosing a massive part of the team in Henry.How many teams have had such results As Arsenal having lost Bergkamp,Vieira,Henry Pires,Lunjgberg,keown,etc in such a short space of time.That was their core players all gone over a couple of years some of which will never be replaced.Wenger is a genius who does things his way and with his success who is anyone to second guess him.

 
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I dont have the time of day for someone who moans and complains about every decision that goes against him. This is what Wenger does...everytime.

 
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sometimes.. winning or losing a match doesn't always depend on the manager himself..

the players' bad performance on the pitch can be considered equally as well..

not that im trying to mention good things about wenger.. never!..

 
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Spurs_fan wrote:
I dont have the time of day for someone who moans and complains about every decision that goes against him. This is what Wenger does...everytime.


said in complete neutrality.

 
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I think Wenger is probably one of the most honest managers in the game.he speaks with nothing but class for his opponent in victory and defeat.I reckon some just have other issues with Wenger that they can't be honest about because they will be ridiculed. He's a man that has revolutionized football in the UK and all over the world. The style of football he produces is unplayable when in form and hs converted the likes of Sir alex and his propensity to rely on the physical nature of his players in the past. Today Man U are one of the purest playing football teams on the planet and you can thank Wenger for that. He is a pioneer who's technique is emulated the world over. Basically he is footballs saviour who will eventually win the Champions League ,but not doing so will not define him or his way of playing the game.
The premiership should be kissing the ground he walks on for what he's done for the game in the UK. The locals are now forced to up their standards wether they like it or not.

 
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specnur wrote:
I think Wenger is probably one of the most honest managers in the game.he speaks with nothing but class for his opponent in victory and defeat.I reckon some just have other issues with Wenger that they can't be honest about because they will be ridiculed. He's a man that has revolutionized football in the UK and all over the world. The style of football he produces is unplayable when in form and hs converted the likes of Sir alex and his propensity to rely on the physical nature of his players in the past. Today Man U are one of the purest playing football teams on the planet and you can thank Wenger for that. He is a pioneer who's technique is emulated the world over. Basically he is footballs saviour who will eventually win the Champions League ,but not doing so will not define him or his way of playing the game.
The premiership should be kissing the ground he walks on for what he's done for the game in the UK. The locals are now forced to up their standards wether they like it or not.


said in complete neutrality Laughing

 
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Roonanialdo wrote:
specnur wrote:
I think Wenger is probably one of the most honest managers in the game.he speaks with nothing but class for his opponent in victory and defeat.I reckon some just have other issues with Wenger that they can't be honest about because they will be ridiculed. He's a man that has revolutionized football in the UK and all over the world. The style of football he produces is unplayable when in form and hs converted the likes of Sir alex and his propensity to rely on the physical nature of his players in the past. Today Man U are one of the purest playing football teams on the planet and you can thank Wenger for that. He is a pioneer who's technique is emulated the world over. Basically he is footballs saviour who will eventually win the Champions League ,but not doing so will not define him or his way of playing the game.
The premiership should be kissing the ground he walks on for what he's done for the game in the UK. The locals are now forced to up their standards wether they like it or not.


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Of course!

 
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Roonanialdo wrote:
specnur wrote:
I think Wenger is probably one of the most honest managers in the game.he speaks with nothing but class for his opponent in victory and defeat.I reckon some just have other issues with Wenger that they can't be honest about because they will be ridiculed. He's a man that has revolutionized football in the UK and all over the world. The style of football he produces is unplayable when in form and hs converted the likes of Sir alex and his propensity to rely on the physical nature of his players in the past. Today Man U are one of the purest playing football teams on the planet and you can thank Wenger for that. He is a pioneer who's technique is emulated the world over. Basically he is footballs saviour who will eventually win the Champions League ,but not doing so will not define him or his way of playing the game.
The premiership should be kissing the ground he walks on for what he's done for the game in the UK. The locals are now forced to up their standards wether they like it or not.


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Of course!

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