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fair way to go yet
needs to just carry on as he is

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Nowhere near it.
when he performs consistently against top teams he could be given some consideration for the best at Man U ever.But so far he doesn't even come close to Henry in the Prem.I know that comment will cause outrage amongst those who tend to forget anything beyond a couple of years,but look at Henry's hi lights and the teams he did it against in the Prem and it's no contest.

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He is the best footballer (on form) in the world at the moment.

But the greatest of all time? He's no where close.

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BMJ wrote:
He is the best footballer (on form) in the world at the moment.

But the greatest of all time? He's no where close.


I really don't think he's the best in the world.
I mean looking at the goals he's scored for United is one thing ,but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League and i personally have to question that assumption.I can name a few players in the prem who perform consistently in every game regardless of the level of competition.
Makelele,David James,Carvalho,Rio Ferdinand,Vidic,Evra, just to name a few .All these players qualities never lessen whoever the opponent is,it's been proven and Ronaldo can't play as well against the better quality teams.
I still keep in contact with my life long friends in the UK and they say there is an huge amount of hype in todays media, so the constant barrage of "info" telling you what's what has a subliminal effect on how peoples perception becomes.If you keep hearing the same thing enough times ,you start believing it.

i guess i'm at an advantage in that sense as the media hype in the uk doesn't affect me ,and what i say probably seems outrageous to my countrymen,but hey....it's only my opinion.

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I used to feel like that, Like the English media was brainwashing some peoples views on here but how anyone can argue that he's not the best in the world at the minute is outrageous.

You said "but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League"...I don't know how many assists he has but how can you say he's not the best due to the teams he's playing against. He can only score against the teams put in front of him. He's the top scorer in Europe. For a midfielder, thats phenomenal. I hate the pwrick but he's out of reach from anyone else in world football at the minute

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specnur wrote:
BMJ wrote:
He is the best footballer (on form) in the world at the moment.

But the greatest of all time? He's no where close.


I really don't think he's the best in the world.
I mean looking at the goals he's scored for United is one thing ,but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League and i personally have to question that assumption.I can name a few players in the prem who perform consistently in every game regardless of the level of competition.
Makelele,David James,Carvalho,Rio Ferdinand,Vidic,Evra, just to name a few .All these players qualities never lessen whoever the opponent is,it's been proven and Ronaldo can't play as well against the better quality teams.
I still keep in contact with my life long friends in the UK and they say there is an huge amount of hype in todays media, so the constant barrage of "info" telling you what's what has a subliminal effect on how peoples perception becomes.If you keep hearing the same thing enough times ,you start believing it.

i guess i'm at an advantage in that sense as the media hype in the uk doesn't affect me ,and what i say probably seems outrageous to my countrymen,but hey....it's only my opinion.


'assists in the champs league' Laughing You really are clutching at straws now, it is ok to admit you were wrong you know?

I too am unaffected by any football media pretty much but I am entirely convinced he is the best player in the world at the moment.

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I used to feel like that, Like the English media was brainwashing some peoples views on here but how anyone can argue that he's not the best in the world at the minute is outrageous.

You said "but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League"...I don't know how many assists he has but how can you say he's not the best due to the teams he's playing against. He can only score against the teams put in front of him. He's the top scorer in Europe. For a midfielder, thats phenomenal. I hate the pwrick but he's out of reach from anyone else in world football at the minute


Why is it outrageous?

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CFCBhoy wrote:
I used to feel like that, Like the English media was brainwashing some peoples views on here but how anyone can argue that he's not the best in the world at the minute is outrageous.

You said "but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League"...I don't know how many assists he has but how can you say he's not the best due to the teams he's playing against. He can only score against the teams put in front of him. He's the top scorer in Europe. For a midfielder, thats phenomenal. I hate the pwrick but he's out of reach from anyone else in world football at the minute


Why is it outrageous?


because those're basically people who want him for their team but the reality tells a different thing.. and so others could only come up with the contradictory instead..

well.. maybe.. for some.. not all.. but then my words are biased.. lol..

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If he has a few more seasons like the one hes had this season then i think he could be considered one of the greatest of all times.

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If he has a few more seasons like the one hes had this season then i think he could be considered one of the greatest of all times.


Agree with Yob

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Long way off. He needs to make his mark on at least a couple of big international tournaments like Pele and Maradona did.

He's probably the best player in the world right now but personally I think more by default because of Messi having a couple of spells on the sidelines.

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Long way off. He needs to make his mark on at least a couple of big international tournaments like Pele and Maradona did.

Completely agree there.

He is probably the greatest player 'at the moment' but no where near 'of all time'.

If he can influence a major tournament like Pele did in Mexico, and Maradona in '86, then he could start to be mentioned in the same breath as the above mentioned greats.

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Yeh good point johaldo. He has been fantastic in the premier league the past few years but to be the greatest of all time needs to dominate in tournaments likie World Cup, European championships and maybe do even better in the Champions League.

He does have the talent to be one of the greatest of all time, but will he im not too sure.

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is this being serious ronaldo cannot be classed in the same league as past greats yet... platini and cryuff are still platforms he needs to reach not to mention zidane as well if he wins more major honours with united and preforms on the international stage then he could achieve that mantle.....

Still dont think he'll eclipse maradona....

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CFCBhoy wrote:
I used to feel like that, Like the English media was brainwashing some peoples views on here but how anyone can argue that he's not the best in the world at the minute is outrageous.

You said "but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League"...I don't know how many assists he has but how can you say he's not the best due to the teams he's playing against. He can only score against the teams put in front of him. He's the top scorer in Europe. For a midfielder, thats phenomenal. I hate the pwrick but he's out of reach from anyone else in world football at the minute


Why is it outrageous?


Who else comes close at the minute? All the worlds top players havn't exactly been on fire over the last few months. He's the best in the world at the minute and anyone that doesn't agree either is on the wind up or clueless

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tdv wrote:
CFCBhoy wrote:
I used to feel like that, Like the English media was brainwashing some peoples views on here but how anyone can argue that he's not the best in the world at the minute is outrageous.

You said "but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League"...I don't know how many assists he has but how can you say he's not the best due to the teams he's playing against. He can only score against the teams put in front of him. He's the top scorer in Europe. For a midfielder, thats phenomenal. I hate the pwrick but he's out of reach from anyone else in world football at the minute


Why is it outrageous?


Who else comes close at the minute? All the worlds top players havn't exactly been on fire over the last few months. He's the best in the world at the minute and anyone that doesn't agree either is on the wind up or clueless


Well Kaka & Messi & maybe one or two others. He's certainley been the best this season by a bit but most other contenders have just been shite so I think he stands out more. He's on the best form but I still think Kaka & Messi at there best are better than Ronaldo at his best.

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tdv wrote:
CFCBhoy wrote:
tdv wrote:
CFCBhoy wrote:
I used to feel like that, Like the English media was brainwashing some peoples views on here but how anyone can argue that he's not the best in the world at the minute is outrageous.

You said "but the likes of who he is scoring against his lack of assists in the Champions League"...I don't know how many assists he has but how can you say he's not the best due to the teams he's playing against. He can only score against the teams put in front of him. He's the top scorer in Europe. For a midfielder, thats phenomenal. I hate the pwrick but he's out of reach from anyone else in world football at the minute


Why is it outrageous?


Who else comes close at the minute? All the worlds top players havn't exactly been on fire over the last few months. He's the best in the world at the minute and anyone that doesn't agree either is on the wind up or clueless


Well Kaka & Messi & maybe one or two others. He's certainley been the best this season by a bit but most other contenders have just been shite so I think he stands out more. He's on the best form but I still think Kaka & Messi at there best are better than Ronaldo at his best.


Thats what I'm saying. Even Kaka & Messi havn't kicked it this season so on current form, Ronaldo is leading the way at the minute

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How are Kaka and Messi at their best better than Ronaldo? How could Ronaldo really have had a better season? Even against top opposition he has scored 3 goals in 5 games in the EPL and these are top teams with great defenders so he can't be expected to play against them like he does lesser teams.

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How are Kaka and Messi at their best better than Ronaldo? How could Ronaldo really have had a better season? Even against top opposition he has scored 3 goals in 5 games in the EPL and these are top teams with great defenders so he can't be expected to play against them like he does lesser teams.


Well tonight for example. Messi was great Ronaldo was patchetic.

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How are Kaka and Messi at their best better than Ronaldo? How could Ronaldo really have had a better season? Even against top opposition he has scored 3 goals in 5 games in the EPL and these are top teams with great defenders so he can't be expected to play against them like he does lesser teams.


Well tonight for example. Messi was great Ronaldo was patchetic.


yeah

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tdv wrote:
fakeplastictrees wrote:
How are Kaka and Messi at their best better than Ronaldo? How could Ronaldo really have had a better season? Even against top opposition he has scored 3 goals in 5 games in the EPL and these are top teams with great defenders so he can't be expected to play against them like he does lesser teams.


Well tonight for example. Messi was great Ronaldo was patchetic.


Pathetic? He commited players when he got the ball. Was it his fault that United went to STOP Barca rather than to play themselves? No. He ran at pace and with skill and was a great outlet. The man is only human.

Jesus have any of you people ever played a game of football in your life????

He can't score every game.

As for the pen, it happens. I'm glad it did don't get me wrong but that doesn't mean I'm going to come on and berate the lad for it. He is a world class player. One of the best wingers in the world and tonight he got hung out to dry and still looked class at times.

Second leg will have goals and United won't set up to spoil in my opinion. Could be a very entertaining game of football. At the moment it is Barca ahead on points (to use a boxing metaphor) for style and control.

Control? Yes. They forced United to sit deep and play the way they did. Don't listen to Gray saying United were "comfortable" they were anything but. A comfortable United counter attack or hold the ball. They were workman like and they did a job no more no less.

Comfortable? My left bollock!

As for the best player in the world? Still Kaka for me.

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Excuses, excuses, excuses. He did needles tricks & gave the ball away a number of times, never tracked backed & or tryed to the win the ball once when he did loose it & instead sulked & moaned. Rooney was usless going forward aswell but alteat he helped out at the back & made some big tackles which will go unoticed in the papers tomorrow.

In the second half he was running with the ball down the right side he beat his man & cut inside & instead of playing simple a pass he tried backheel (to Scholes I think) & ended up making a hash of it because he wanted to grab the headlines for himself.

He's a moany selfish little git.

Ronaldo = everything for himself
Rooney + Scholes = everything for the team.

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Excuses, excuses, excuses. He did needles tricks & gave the ball away a number of times, never tracked backed & or tryed to the win the ball once when he did loose it & instead sulked & moaned. Rooney was usless going forward aswell but alteat he helped out at the back & made some big tackles which will go unoticed in the papers tomorrow.

In the second half he was running with the ball down the right side he beat his man & cut inside & instead of playing simple a pass he tried backheel (to Scholes I think) & ended up making a hash of it because he wanted to grab the headlines for himself.

He's a moany selfish little git.

Ronaldo = everything for himself
Rooney + Scholes = everything for the team.


Excuses? I'm a Liverpool fan, I don't make excuses for United players believe me!

Like the two "stonewall pens". If the first one is a pen then so is the handball in the box in our game.

The second was a farce. I have no doubt that Marquez had every intention to take Ronaldo down but Ronaldo had already gone half way to the deck before he got there. THAT is why it wasn't given!

Needless tricks? like the Cruyff turn that took him away from 3 Barca players?

Ever think he didn't track back because he was practically the only outlet United seemed to have?

Want to talk about useless despite doing a team game? Check out Rooney's performance. Not hard to see why he doesn't play on the right too often. Rooney did what Kuyt does. Kuyt gets nothing but stick but Rooney should be commended? Kuyt had a better game and I can't believe I am saying that! (that's without the goal even coming into play!)

That moany selfish git is a massive reason why United are in poll position for Title and also was a massive reason United are playing Barca in the first place.

As for him not being a team player, I have twice seen him come to Anfield and do a team job and do it well "and I hate sayin tha".

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Excuses, excuses, excuses. He did needles tricks & gave the ball away a number of times, never tracked backed & or tryed to the win the ball once when he did loose it & instead sulked & moaned. Rooney was usless going forward aswell but alteat he helped out at the back & made some big tackles which will go unoticed in the papers tomorrow.

In the second half he was running with the ball down the right side he beat his man & cut inside & instead of playing simple a pass he tried backheel (to Scholes I think) & ended up making a hash of it because he wanted to grab the headlines for himself.

He's a moany selfish little git.

Ronaldo = everything for himself
Rooney + Scholes = everything for the team.


I agree with that.

Ronaldo plays for himself, there's no doubt about that. He's just an arrogant idiot who taught himself a lesson in humility when he missed the penalty. No doubt that if he scored his already inflated ego would have enlarged even more.

See his post match comments afterwards? I nearly fell off my settee laughing! He was standing there with his hands on his hips like some evil caricature from a cartoon, boasting that he'll score at Old Trafford to make up for the penalty miss. Whatever.

Messi owned him yesterday. All of Barca's best moments came when he had the ball. Don't forget that he's only about 60% match fit too.