Manager of the year in Barclays Premier League from Football.co.uk

Ben91 · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:27 pm

That's a good point Monty. I think people have generally taken other comps into consideration, like the Champions League, UEFA Cup and FA Cup.

MontyMagpie · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:47 pm

Any winner of the Champions League has good to have a good shout of being best manager of the season even if it is Benitez.

Forev · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:54 pm

Sticky T wrote:

Do be ridiculous. That was early in the season, NO ONE thought Arsenal could maintain that form for much of the season, certainly not until near the end. Man U were huge favourites, and if it wasn't for Grant doing such a good job at Chelsea, Man U would have the title by now.

No one expected Arsenal could maintain that form? They were 5 points clear but a few months ago, no one expected they could win from that? And you think I'm being ridiculous? Okay, Sticky I personally think you are talking rubbish but okay.

Arsenal went into meltdown and Wenger just brushed it aside, they won't come out on top because they didn't have the bottle, they don't have the attitude of true winners instilled into them.

Are you saying that a player, nevermind a captain, would walk away from a penalty against his team and start kicking advertising hoardings and then sit in the middle of the pitch crying after his teammates had already left the pitch and have his manager come out and drag him into the changing rooms, under a Sir Alex or Benitez or even a Mourinho?

Arsenal threw away a 5 point gap, crashed out of 3 cup competitions and went on an abysmal run as the finish to the season drew near and you think that is manager of the year material? Give me a break.

Ben91 · Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:56 pm

I don't think Benitez has really done that badly given all the crap behind the scenes at Liverpool.

OWEN_ENG · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:45 am

If Portsmouth win the FA Cup, then definately Rednapp...heck I take that back...for him to have taken Portsmouth to the FA Cup, he's my pick.

specnur · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:17 am

Redknapp for me Wenger 2nd.
Pompey have done very well and i don't see them loosing any momentum next season as Redknapp has
a great outlook on the game.I think seeing that Arsenal weren't even given a chance at the start of the season one can say they overachieved to a certain extent. Wenger players this season have become men regardless of their age as they have had a full season of experience in teh prem.There can be no excuses next year in terms of their age and i predict them to win it next year with 5 new players added.

I Redknapp in the fa cup final,Beating Man U at home one of teh best away records in the Prem and he has his team on the verge of European footy next year.Consider also that the likes of david james ,Sol campbell and Kanu were written off by everyone else is a testament to the man itself.james was the best Goalie this year and last,Kanu was the top scorer for a while in teh prem which was a major shocker.He knows his talent Rdknapp and with a future star like Diarra on board he has the makings of a very good team next week.

Sticky T · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 3:06 am

Forev wrote:

Sticky T wrote:

Do be ridiculous. That was early in the season, NO ONE thought Arsenal could maintain that form for much of the season, certainly not until near the end. Man U were huge favourites, and if it wasn't for Grant doing such a good job at Chelsea, Man U would have the title by now.

No one expected Arsenal could maintain that form? They were 5 points clear but a few months ago, [b]no one expected they could win from that? And you think I'm being ridiculous? Okay, Sticky I personally think you are talking rubbish but okay.[/b]

We're talking about when Grant took over. That was very early in the season. Arsenal were top, but who thought they would stay there? No one!

A team that were what, 20 points behind you last season, and in the summer on paper had only got weaker. When they lost Henry, everyone thought that was it for them. When Grant took over at Chelsa, everyone thought the same.

I remember hearing fans saying they could finish in the top 4 ahead of Chelsea. Just like Spurs fans a few months before saying they could finish ahead of Arsenal.

MontyMagpie · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 5:21 pm

OWEN_ENG wrote:

If Portsmouth win the FA Cup, then definately Rednapp...heck I take that back...for him to have taken Portsmouth to the FA Cup, he's my pick.

It is certainly a good achievement to get to the FA Cup, he should win it though. FA cup runners up don't get no favours from me. Gullit and Dalglish come to mine.

Rc_Lens · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:31 pm

I think Sir Alex, he made a great season.

torres99 · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:34 pm

Have to wait and see how the season pans out but you'd have to say ferguson although it kills me to say it.....

Agree with others comments about redknapp 5th or 6th and maybe an fa cup is a great season for a good pompey team......

An outsiders chance is paul jewell the man is a legend for even taking the derby job

O Dogg · Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:53 pm

MontyMagpie wrote:

OWEN_ENG wrote:

If Portsmouth win the FA Cup, then definately Rednapp...heck I take that back...for him to have taken Portsmouth to the FA Cup, he's my pick.

It is certainly a good achievement to get to the FA Cup, he should win it though. FA cup runners up don't get no favours from me. Gullit and Dalglish come to mine.

If Cardiff win it, should Dave Jones get it?? Wink

specnur · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:26 am

G_Man wrote:

Sticky T wrote:

What has he done? How about putting together at team for about 25% the cost of Man Utd's and Chelsea's, but still challenging them, in a time when money is everything. Also, they were very unlucky to go out of the CL to us, and even in the league, if it wasn't for the disaster in the Birmingham, and all the bad decisions that came afterwards in the following weeks, i'm sure Arsenal would still be challenging. In fact, i think they would still be at the top of the table.

He overachieved with his Arsenal team. Last season they were light years off challenging for the league, but despite losing their best player, they've imrpoved immeasurably, and are very unlucky to not be finishing with a trophy in the cabinet.

Has Fergie overachieved with the players he has at his disposal?

In the summer Man U went out and spent over �50m to bring in the likes of Hargreaves, Tevez, Anderson and Nani, to a side that was already far superior to Arsenal's team. Wenger somehow managed to get the best out of the players h had (or get them overachieving), and to the surprise of everybody, they were leading the title race for much of the season, and playing the most mesmerising brand of football we have seen in some time.

Alot of ifs and buts there. Arsenal are a team who should be looking to win something every year whether it be the fa cup or the league or the other cup.
Memoring football we have seen but won nothing? Remember when Dundee once played entertaining football, means nothing tho if your not going to win anything.

Arsenal short of money yet look how much they spent on the emirates. Please Wenger has money we all know that. Wenger is just very clever with his money

In retrospect Wenger has done very well with his side this season indeed.NObody and i mean absolutely nobody had them leading the table at any point at the start of the season. When pundits and so called experts were making their predictions for the title race Arsenal never got a shout from anyone,and that includes one of Wengers admirers ...........Me!
Last season Arsenal were getting kicked off of the park by the Blackburns ,Boltons and sheff u 's of the league ,with the apparent support of the FA.Wenger changed his team into the team with the least amount of quit in them this season.They fought fire with fire and other teams had to change their game.

I think that Wenger not being a big spender and having a title challenging deserves obvious credit .One can make the argument taht sir Alex shelling out tens of millions more than Wenger is his way of trying to compete with ready made stars.This season was written off by most people as a rebuilding process for Arsenal therefore they wouldn't be a factor.Now it's up to those same folks to give credit were it is due and say that Wenger outcoached everyone in the league up until they ran out of healthy players.He never changed his way of playing football he just evolved it a little more by making his team tougher.
I don't know how much Credit Sir alex can get for buying big ,but he certainly deserves a huge amount of credit for keeping the ego's in check in which case he's done a masterful job.
Man U have so many very good good player it almost eliminates Ferguson from Manager of the year awards. Wengers only issue this season was not having a deep enough squad ,other than that he has done a fantastic job. Notable accomplishments for me were the Bolton game and the AC Milan away game,remeber Arsenal still didn't have their number one striker and other big players but they did what they did in those games.When you look at the huge amount of effort put into those matches could answer why they couldn't win the bigger games after that ,because of sheer exhaustion.

specnur · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:42 am

Forev wrote:

Sticky T wrote:

Do be ridiculous. That was early in the season, NO ONE thought Arsenal could maintain that form for much of the season, certainly not until near the end. Man U were huge favourites, and if it wasn't for Grant doing such a good job at Chelsea, Man U would have the title by now.

No one expected Arsenal could maintain that form? They were 5 points clear but a few months ago, no one expected they could win from that? And you think I'm being ridiculous? Okay, Sticky I personally think you are talking rubbish but okay.

Arsenal went into meltdown and Wenger just brushed it aside, they won't come out on top because they didn't have the bottle, they don't have the attitude of true winners instilled into them.

You still actually believe that after watching the Bolton game?
It's obvious they ran out of players

Are you saying that a player, nevermind a captain, would walk away from a penalty against his team and start kicking advertising hoardings and then sit in the middle of the pitch crying after his teammates had already left the pitch and have his manager come out and drag him into the changing rooms, under a Sir Alex or Benitez or even a Mourinho?

I think people are making too much out of Gallas' antics personally.There is not one person who can convince me that their critisicm of Gallas' outburst is fueled by their own personal dislike of him for whatever OTHER reasons.I just watched a clip when he had the same reaction while playing for Chelsea against Liverpool in the cup ,so i don't buy that garbage that people keep piling on a man who not afraid top show that he cares about winning.

Arsenal threw away a 5 point gap, crashed out of 3 cup competitions and went on an abysmal run as the finish to the season drew near and you think that is manager of the year material? Give me a break.

And you want to put that down to bad technical decisions by Wenger? Don't make me laugh.They ran out of players ,even before Eduardo got hobbled they only had Walcott and Bendtner to fill in,kids.When Arsenal lost Eduardo Arsenal were still leading the table,but everyone knew that they would relinquish their lead in the coming weeks ,because it was impossible to do both champs league and regular football with only one first team striker left.It had nothing to do with lack of bottle or lack of quality.

paul · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 11:20 am

paul jewell only joking
nobosy is standing out really.maybe martin o'neill

CFCBhoy · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:24 pm

Martin O'Neill or Moyes

conner99 · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:24 pm

no way should Arsene Wenger win it , you shoud not win an award for nearly doing really well or almost getting close to the Champions League Final or Carling Cup final ..

If anyone deserves it i reckon Harry Redknapp for his continuning success at turning Portsmouth into a serious Premier League force and team capable of winning trophies . The FA CUP woudl be the icing on teh cake .....

Sparkyjinx · Posted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 5:40 pm

conner99 wrote:

no way should Arsene Wenger win it , you shoud not win an award for nearly doing really well or almost getting close to the Champions League Final or Carling Cup final ..

Hallelujah, 'Gooner talks sense' shocker Smile

4everton · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:58 am

I see alot of debate here on who should be "Manager of the Season". But what are the benchmarks or targets set to assess them? How do you compare Rednapp to say someone like Ferguson or Wenger??? Is it via league position or cups? Then the top managers will win 9 out of 10 times! I believe it should be relative to what the team's goals are.

I read ppl saying what a good job wenger is doing this season.... but what good did he do seriously????? They were supposed to be title contenders and wenger himself had mentioned that they were capable of winning it when they were leading the league. So there is no excuses for him this time.... same with benitez, it has always been 'next year' when it comes to challenging for the title. Yet, pool have not made any significant progress on that front. They are still way off the likes of Man Utd or Chelsea.

In my oppinion, if any of these following managers (Fergie, Wenger, Grant & benitez) were to win it, they MUST win the league! These teams were set out to challenge for the league title in the first place. If they don't means they have failed in their primary objective thus don't deserve any consideration.

Outside of these four, the other managers that deserve consideration are:

Real possibility:
Rednapp if he wins the FA Cup as no other manager out of the top 4 managed that in the last many moons. Or even via their league position if they can get 5th as they would have over achieved their initial goal of a midtable finish.

Slight chance:
Ramos for winning the League Cup. But didn't do well enough in the league and UEFA Cup.

Moyes for leading an average club to..... 5th in the league (if they eventually finish there) together with a semi final run in the league cup, a good run in the UEFA Cup (100% in group stage and a club record of 7 consecutive wins in Euraope).

conner99 · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:32 pm

Sparkyjinx wrote:

conner99 wrote:

no way should Arsene Wenger win it , you shoud not win an award for nearly doing really well or almost getting close to the Champions League Final or Carling Cup final ..

Hallelujah, 'Gooner talks sense' shocker Smile

thank you sir ... Wink

i would only have included Arsene Wenger if we had won the title or Champions League .

CFCBhoy · Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:58 pm

4Everton wrote:

Slight chance:
Ramos for winning the League Cup. But didn't do well enough in the league and UEFA Cup.

Personally, I think Ramos hasn't got a chance. Winning the league cup is that much of a great acheivment. How many of the games was he actually in charge of?

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