i aint said a word in here!!

calm yourself down wtebar, you sound like a whining little bitch.

i take it your 'racism' part was aimed at me? please feel free to pm me with any issues you have.

you are embarrassing yourself. log off and go to bed, it will all feel better in the morning.

What gave it away?

Embarrasing myself on the net? Damn I'll never get over that with the rest of my net friends. I will be the laughing stock of the forum.

Sorry everyone.

Appology accepted...

Right let's get back on topic.

I like it. I like it a lot. That's one to add to the list.

Cheers.

I think in the return game Liverpool should play riise... Players who make big mistakes like that normally make up for them by playing their heart out.

you dont mean a word of it

Did with Porto, Just not Chelsea


Anyway what a sh1t game. Ref i thought did well by letting the game flow. 1 yellow card was not so bad. Passing was pretty poor from 2 "top" teams

Bye bye Wtebar.

Watched a replay of this game today and what a howler from Riise, the poor guy looked like he wanted the fround to open up and swallow him.

Still, thats the ginger curse for ya.

What ze fook???

Whoops!!! Looks like I wound him up just a bit too much!!

In fairness my post wasn't personal at all, I was just making some valid points. I even acknowledged that Liverpool played the better football and deserved the win. I don't see what his problem is but it appears he took it to heart. Oh well!

BIIATTCHHHH!!!!!!

Riise is a strange case. He has put his heart and soul into our club. As you say, you can really see he loves being at Liverpool and i really appreicate the things he has done for our team in the past. But football changes rapidly, and you need to adapt to your surroundings. The Premier League is getting stronger and stronger throughout, and better, more technically gifted players are arriving. Riise is proof of this. He is not good enough technically to play at the highest level. He runs in a straight line, can only use his left foot (which proved costly on tuesday) and does not have a very good footballing brain. I like the ginger lad, but he is just not good enough. He always gives 100% but that does not win matches, ability does. I have no doubt, if he is given the nod for the game at the bridge he will do is upmost to rectify his mistake, but i believe his time has come.




He also scored against arsenel a few weeks back. Do you not remember this? By my reckoning that is 2 of the 3 teams in the top 3 he has scored against. He also netted against the leaders of Seria A against Inter.
The reason people are not picking apart Torres like they do with Ronaldo is because the circumstancs and situations are miles apart. No one is saying Torrres is the best player in the world. What Torres has achieved this season is remarkale for a striker serving his first season in a new league in a new country in a weaker team. I am by no means saying Torres is up there with Ronaldo after one brilliant season, that would be naive, he has alot of room for improvement. But i like that. His touch needs to improve. His goal scoring record away from Anfield needs to improve. He does make mistakes and sometimes makes the wrong decision. Imagine how good he could become if this season is not a fluke and he improves, which he will as he is still young.

The sides Torres has played, with those he's scored against in red:

Aston Villa
West Ham United
Chelsea
Sunderland
Derby County
P.ortsmouth
FC Porto
B.irmingham City (30 minute sub)
Reading
W.igan Athletic
Olympique Marseille
T.ottenham Hotspur
E.verton
Arsenal
Blackburn Rovers
F.ulham
Newcastle United
B.olton Wanderers
M.anchester United
Manchester City
Middlesbrough
Inter Milan

So he's only failed to beat four sides; one of which he came on against as a late sub and the other he's only played once this season, still to play again before the end. United are the only side that've kept him quiet every time.

But really, just saying he's only scored 1 goal against "top" opposition is unfair. Of the six Premier League games against Chelsea, United and Arsenal he's played 3.5 - he was injured for the Stamford Bridge game, rested for the Emirates one and was returning from injury in the Anfield match versus Arsenal (where he subsequently left the field at half-time). He has 1 goal from 3 big games that you can judge him on from the league. But then if you consider the Everton derby, which was huge for our season, you could count his goal there as one on a big occasion. Likewise in the Champions League, scoring vital goals against Porto, Marseille, both the latter where we needed to win to progress, as well as Inter and Arsenal.

The other night was a rarity really. He had similar games early in the season where he'd fluff chances but he's come on a lot that we don't expect it from him. Such games as United have seem him not score because he didn't get any chances, which were blatantly down to a lack of good delivery. That wasn't the case last night, but he didn't perform and that's that.

Anyway, as has been said, no-ones saying Torres is the best player in the world - he's in his first season in the Premier League - and that's obviously why he should be exempt from the same criticism as Cristiano.


(The '.' in some teams in the list below are 'cause certain teams are linked, hence won't highlight in colour.)

Sticks you big ass kiss!

I am secretly hoping this happens as Aurelio is out for three weeks as the injury was a lot more serious than it looked.

torn groin?

I'm like a skid mark on the underpants of society.

Now THATS what I call a QUOTE......I'm adding it to my list