| Roonanialdo wrote: |
| Steely Hill wrote: |
| Roonanialdo wrote: |
| Steely Hill wrote: |
| Roonanialdo wrote: |
| Steely Hill wrote: |
| get off your high horse for f*ck sake. |
I'm just standing up for my team. If you are going to post up nonsense like that then it will draw my comment. I expect that sort of rubbish from the majority of punters on here but not from someone like yourself. |
nonsense?
i simply said i would like to see ferguson go into a rage over his team losing the title to a refereeing decision. i would enjoy that very much. childish? if you say so. jealous and bitter? absolutely not. i assume you are referring to saturdays game. i couldnt care less about it mate. why would i be jealous of Man United? my club are not in their league in terms of triophies but is that the be all and end all? many of your fans are priced out of going and your ground is nothing more than a tourist attraction now. the fans are from all over the country and indeed the world and you have nothing in common with them. give me my local club with local people any day of the week.
the hilarious irony of you, a Man United fan, instructing anyone to learn to lose with grace and dignity raised a laugh so thanks for that. im sure that wasnt lost on you.
i dont dislike Man United, i dislike arrogant sets of fans, Man United, Arsenal, Spurs all have a huge arrogance about their support. (to name but a few). i also dislike ferguson and enjoy his pathetic rants just a bit more than i enjoy his graham norton style celebrations. it would amuse me highly if he lost the plot over his team losing out to a dodgy decision after all the 'luck' they have had over the years in terms of decisions.
i would prefer Chelsea to win the double purely because of the hammering avram grant has received from all angles and yet has maintained his dignity and earned my respect.
is that bitter and jealous? i think not. if anything i would feel bitter and jealous towards west london rivals Chelsea who, before abramovich, were a team very similar to mine. however i like to think im better than that.
there are other reasons that people dislike other clubs than jealousy etc. dont be so narrow minded to always put it down to that. the tunnel vision of some fans baffles me at times. |
You are very perceptive Steely and a very good attempt at trying to justify your childish comment. I wonder if you can explain, in your eloquent way, why Sir Alex Ferguson deserves to be SO disliked by you. He isn't a child molester, a notorious killer or terrorist. He is ONLY a football club manager and ALWAYS tries to do what is best for his club, his team. Outside of football, he is just an ordinary human being, and many people hold him in high esteem, that know him personally. He is well liked by the majority of football managers in the EPL and world-wide, and even your own manager has a fairly close and friendly relationship with him.
I don't believe for one moment that you don't care about the recent 4-1 result at Old Trafford. All true fans care about every game their team plays, even meaningless friendlies.
The comment posted by conner more honestly reflects the true feelings of rival fans. Despite your comment to the contrary I still believe that many of the anti-ManUtd comments posted on here are borne out of jealousy and resentment of Uniteds phenomenal success. |
what are you talking about!? i merely said i disliked him, i never said i hated him or anything stronger than that. you are wildly exaggerting in order to give your argument more weight when there is really no need. i dislike the bloke because of his hypocrisy, arrogance and his pig-headedness. i dont hate the bloke so calm yourself down, he is some way off of Ian Huntley's league for now  im not going to like him because Curbishley does! i couldnt care less what others make of him. i have formed my own judgement of him from my years of following football. of course i dont know him personally, neither do you. however we are both allowed an opinion on the bloke. becuase mine is negative and indeed different to yours it does not make mine any less valid or in need of justification.
we could have lost that game 8-0. it means nothing. ive seen countless capitalations at the hands of Man United. i was at Old Trafford for the 6-0 defeat in the season we went down (to name one that sticks in my mind) i was expecting a heavy defeat, i was more suprised we scored than letting in 4 goals. the vast majority of West Ham fans had the same feeling and in the ground it was more of a sarcastic party atmosphere with people just messing around and having a laugh rather than desperately waiting for a goal or genuine optimism before or during the game. i merely want this season over with and as such results dont mean anything to me. i just want our young players such as Sears and Tomkins to gain experience and playing time. to me, at this moment in time, that is more important than the result.
Man United are not West Ham's rivals though in a football sense are they. its perfectly understandable that an Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool fan may have an issue with jealousy. but to suggest every opposing fan suffers from this is narrow minded and just plain stupid in my opinion. Man United could have won every league and cup going and it would have no bearing on how i treat them as a club. its how the club, its manager, players and fans conduct themselves that has an influence on how i view a particular club. |
If you read my post again you will see I never used the word HATE either, I said dislike, so you are wrong to suggest I am wildly exaggerating. It doesn't matter what I say about Sir Alex Ferguson I know I will never be able to influence your deeply formed opinion of him, after all, he has been in football a long long time and has rival fans have had plenty of time, year on year, to convince themselves that he his the anti-Christ. I'm sure that you are equally guilty of exhibiting those same failings that you claim Sir Alex is guilty of, hypocrisy, arrogance and pig-headedness, I know that I am capable of exhibiting ALL of those traits from time to time. I'm quite sure you have exhibited some of that behaviour on this forum.
You remain unconvincing with your arguments regarding the game meaning nothing to West Ham and their fans. I think we should leave it at that.
With regard to jealousy and resentment, I accept what you say about yourself, and retract any comments aimed at you personally on that issue.
As an aside. One thing I am not is arrogant. Also, I believe in balanced reasoned argument and I will hold my hand up and say I am wrong if someone is able to clearly show that is the case. I am not afraid to be in the minority and I will argue the toss against everyone on this thread if need be, without losing my cool.
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you are wildly exaggerating by saying i 'dislike him so much' with the epmhasis on 'SO much'. that was an exaggeration. also to even mention the likes of a child molester, killer or terrorist in the same paragraph is also hugely over the top and completely out of context. again, usage of the term 'anti christ' is also a further example of this. i just dont particularly like him, is that such a big deal? its not some big anti
Man United problem you seem to think i have or some deep rooted hatred. i have a firm liking for many other people, managers/players who have been in the game for the same amount of time that i have been following it that do not have any affiliation with my club or even my country.
of course i have displayed those traits to a degree. however i am not in the public eye and the main spokesman and figurehead for one of the leading sporting brands in the world. what i say does not influence people and what i say doesn't (or shouldn't) affect people. Ferguson is looked at as a role model, i most certainly am not. obviously the odd slip up is inevitable, he is only human after all, but from what i can makje of him he is not a likeable person. just my opinion. im sure we could both find a million people who would agree with each of our side of things.
maybe i have slightly exaggerated to say it meant literally
nothing. but the point i am trying to get across is that such a defeat would generate zero bitterness, disappointment or anger because it was expected. obviously a win would have been great but it was nothing more than a dream and everybody knew it. any problem
West Ham fans may have with the game is the way we yet again embarrassed ourselves with our defending which is in-club problems and nothing to do with
Man United whatsoever. what with the first goal coming so early winning was never an option and neither was caring about the result. the performance was the important thing and that didnt was the only disappointment.
indeed, have i said you are arrogant? if i have i genuinely apologise. i like to think i have been respectful throughout this discussion (in my own way) and indeed i urge you to carry on as you are as a good debate is as rare as a good
West Ham performance around here these days
im assuming that was a thinlly veiled dig at myself and i am not really disagreeing in all honesty. i lose my cool because im sure you have realised the sheer amount of mindblowing morons that grace this forum and any pub in britain that can barely string a sentence together let alone argue a point clearly and constructively.
