Wigan vs Manchester United & Chelsea vs Bolton Wanderers in Barclays Premier League from Football.co.uk

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:50 pm

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

indeed, have i said you are arrogant? if i have i genuinely apologise. i like to think i have been respectful throughout this discussion (in my own way) and indeed i urge you to carry on as you are as a good debate is as rare as a good West Ham performance around here these days im assuming that was a thinlly veiled dig at myself and i am not really disagreeing in all honesty. i lose my cool because im sure you have realised the sheer amount of mindblowing morons that grace this forum and any pub in britain that can barely string a sentence together let alone argue a point clearly and constructively.

You didn't specifically call me arrogant, only referring to groups of supporters, United fans included, and I thought that some of my 'tongue in cheek' posts may well have been construed, by some, as arrogance on my part, when it is only my perverse and wicked sense of humour. It's cruel rather than arrogant.

no no, i can tell what is a bit of bait waiting for a bite and a genuine display of arrogance. it wasnt aimed specifically at you or any individual for that matter, just speaking in general terms.

Flipper · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:11 pm

i can't help thinking.. why the most votes to win go to us for this but not for cl?.. Confused

i've been feeling tense since Chelsea won against magpies.. not a good thing indeed.. Sad

but since we manage to score more than i expected against West Ham.. then i hope we could score at least half of the previous total against wigan too.. XD

*crossing all fingers and toes*
pretty please after everybody's hard work.. including vidic to begin having sensitive nose to bleed.. T.T

mrtz · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:14 pm

Flipper: because even if Chelsea win their game it won't guarantee them the title unless United don't get full points. If they both win, and say United win by 1, Chelsea would have to win by 18 goals or more to secure the title by goal difference. Simple as.

In the Champion's League, winner wins, loser cries, I laugh. Simple as.

Flipper · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:21 pm

@marty

but between wigan and Bolton.. it's obvious that wigan's a more underdog team.. and for a record.. the blues are going to have a home match while we'll be a visiting team..

and football match result is unpredictable.. so technically.. the blues should be a better team to be bet for..

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:27 pm

dont be silly flipper.

the only question is Will Man United beat Wigan? thats the only thing that matters, the rest is irrelevant. 9 times out of 10 Man United would beat Wigan. therefore that is the most likely outcome that Man United will win the league.

Chelsea could win 15-0 and it wouldnt mean a thing

mrtz · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:33 pm

It doesn't matter who is "more of an underdog" because the odds lie heavily in favor of United and Chelsea anyway. Everyone is expecting them to win especially with what is at stake. If one of them loses, and the other one wins, then the loser deserves to be in second because they didn't get the job done. As for the odds on who has the upper hand in the title race, it is insane to say that Chelsea has it. Number one, because both of them will most likely win their matches anyway meaning they will be tied in points. And number two, United has a far superior goal differential that Chelsea will need at least and 18 goal win over Bolton to have at least a shot at the title assuming United win against Wigan... which they will.

And I disagree 100% with your post because it is not a matter of Wigan and Bolton in this case when it comes to picking who we think are favorites. They're both inferior to their respective opponents and it's gonna take a monumental collapse from either United or Chelsea to not get three points. If they are champions, then they will get three points. Anything other than that is not an option. The opponent will only be significant if, for instance, Chelsea was playing Tottenham and United was playing Manchester City. That would cause some great speculation as they have lost to these teams already...

As far as the Champion's League is concerned, of course Chelsea can be picked as a winner there much easier than in domestic play. It's a level playing field with no goal differential to worry about. Chelsea has already defeated United once and there's no reason for them not to do it again.

Flipper · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:40 pm

well.. okay.. since we're winning it.. i mean.. technically.. my prediction would be..

wigan 1 - 2 Man Utd [considering kirkland's the goalie.. it'd be hard for us to score much.. lol]

Chelsea 2 - 0 Bolton

*counting days to the match now*

XD

smithy · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:51 pm

Flipper if your this anxious now what you gonna be like come Sunday Laughing

ImmortaL · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:52 pm

Flipper wrote:

well.. okay.. since we're winning it.. i mean.. technically.. my prediction would be..

wigan 1 - 2 Man Utd [considering kirkland's the goalie.. it'd be hard for us to score much.. lol]

Chelsea 2 - 0 Bolton

*counting days to the match now*

XD

Don't worry Jenny. You can count on my support to ManU(or lack therof Razz

)...

Flipper · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 4:59 pm

smithy wrote:

Flipper if your this anxious now what you gonna be like come Sunday Laughing

this's feeling like we're playing against barcelona last time.. i finally didn't need my alarm clock because i couldn't rest at all.. Laughing

hope my lil gooner bro won't join in watching.. otherwise i might end up kicking him out of my room.. if something goes wrong.. Laughing

ImmortaL wrote:

Don't worry Jenny. You can count on my support to ManU(or lack therof Razz

)...

nice comfort.. i remember you support any teams that play against us.. Laughing

YoBBo · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:03 pm

Manchester Utd will probably win, but you never know in football stranger things have happened.

smithy · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:05 pm

I have real good feeling about this match , we're win no probs Razz

ImmortaL · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:06 pm

Flipper wrote:

nice comfort.. i remember you support any teams that play against us.. Laughing

That I do always... Laughing

But don't be like this Jenny. Be cool and confident... Razz

Bluenose · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:14 pm

Roonanialdo wrote:

rachrvp wrote:

i feel the same as i do about the CL...i'd much prefer Chelsea to win the league. not bitter or jealous...i just hate the mancs Smile

and it would indeed be glorious to see fergusons face if they lost!

According to evolutionary psychologists, hate is a reaction to people whose interests consistently conflict with one's own. People whose behavior threatens one's own survival interests are to be hated, while people whose behavior enhances one's survival prospects are to be liked or even loved (as in the case of offspring and other genetic kin).

Yes she also hates Everton. I too reminded her that "hate" was a very strong word. Laughing

Bluenose · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:16 pm

conner99 wrote:

well using the BBC predicter thing if Man Utd beat Wigan 1-0 it will mean Chelsea would have to beat Bolton 18-0 to nick the title from Man Utd .... Laughing

I dont think Anelka , Drogba , Ballack and Co have that amount of goals in them for one game ... Wink

I would love Man Utd to draw and Chelsea to win ....it looks like the way Chelsea play though is gonna cost them the title .. ie ...lack of goals ..

Now that would be possible if it was Chelsea v Derby Wink

Bluenose · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:24 pm

Roonanialdo wrote:

conner99 wrote:

being an Arsenal supporter who has suffered years of dominance from Man Utd in the 90`s and now continuing in the 2000`s i must admit i am a bit jealous of the fact Man Utd have won so many titles and we have had to fight for the scraps ...5 titles in all those years .. Sad

I do respect what a great side they have been though and still are ....and what a legend Sir Alex Ferguson has been to them ....unbelievable success he has brought to the club .

But also i think it is just natural for a rival supporter to want someone else to win the title rather than one of your main enemy teams ...so to speak .. If it were Tottenham and Man Utd going for the title i would wish Man Utd to win ..

Well said conner.......some common sense and honesty at last.

Yep! very well said conner. Honesty, you can't beat it.

Bluenose · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 7:34 pm

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

get off your high horse for f*ck sake.

I'm just standing up for my team. If you are going to post up nonsense like that then it will draw my comment. I expect that sort of rubbish from the majority of punters on here but not from someone like yourself.

nonsense?

i simply said i would like to see ferguson go into a rage over his team losing the title to a refereeing decision. i would enjoy that very much. childish? if you say so. jealous and bitter? absolutely not. i assume you are referring to saturdays game. i couldnt care less about it mate. why would i be jealous of Man United? my club are not in their league in terms of triophies but is that the be all and end all? many of your fans are priced out of going and your ground is nothing more than a tourist attraction now. the fans are from all over the country and indeed the world and you have nothing in common with them. give me my local club with local people any day of the week.

the hilarious irony of you, a Man United fan, instructing anyone to learn to lose with grace and dignity raised a laugh so thanks for that. im sure that wasnt lost on you.

i dont dislike Man United, i dislike arrogant sets of fans, Man United, Arsenal, Spurs all have a huge arrogance about their support. (to name but a few). i also dislike ferguson and enjoy his pathetic rants just a bit more than i enjoy his graham norton style celebrations. it would amuse me highly if he lost the plot over his team losing out to a dodgy decision after all the 'luck' they have had over the years in terms of decisions.

i would prefer Chelsea to win the double purely because of the hammering avram grant has received from all angles and yet has maintained his dignity and earned my respect.

is that bitter and jealous? i think not. if anything i would feel bitter and jealous towards west london rivals Chelsea who, before abramovich, were a team very similar to mine. however i like to think im better than that.

there are other reasons that people dislike other clubs than jealousy etc. dont be so narrow minded to always put it down to that. the tunnel vision of some fans baffles me at times.

You are very perceptive Steely and a very good attempt at trying to justify your childish comment. I wonder if you can explain, in your eloquent way, why Sir Alex Ferguson deserves to be SO disliked by you. He isn't a child molester, a notorious killer or terrorist. He is ONLY a football club manager and ALWAYS tries to do what is best for his club, his team. Outside of football, he is just an ordinary human being, and many people hold him in high esteem, that know him personally. He is well liked by the majority of football managers in the EPL and world-wide, and even your own manager has a fairly close and friendly relationship with him.

I don't believe for one moment that you don't care about the recent 4-1 result at Old Trafford. All true fans care about every game their team plays, even meaningless friendlies.

The comment posted by conner more honestly reflects the true feelings of rival fans. Despite your comment to the contrary I still believe that many of the anti-ManUtd comments posted on here are borne out of jealousy and resentment of Uniteds phenomenal success.

what are you talking about!? i merely said i disliked him, i never said i hated him or anything stronger than that. you are wildly exaggerting in order to give your argument more weight when there is really no need. i dislike the bloke because of his hypocrisy, arrogance and his pig-headedness. i dont hate the bloke so calm yourself down, he is some way off of Ian Huntley's league for now Wink

im not going to like him because Curbishley does! i couldnt care less what others make of him. i have formed my own judgement of him from my years of following football. of course i dont know him personally, neither do you. however we are both allowed an opinion on the bloke. becuase mine is negative and indeed different to yours it does not make mine any less valid or in need of justification.

we could have lost that game 8-0. it means nothing. ive seen countless capitalations at the hands of Man United. i was at Old Trafford for the 6-0 defeat in the season we went down (to name one that sticks in my mind) i was expecting a heavy defeat, i was more suprised we scored than letting in 4 goals. the vast majority of West Ham fans had the same feeling and in the ground it was more of a sarcastic party atmosphere with people just messing around and having a laugh rather than desperately waiting for a goal or genuine optimism before or during the game. i merely want this season over with and as such results dont mean anything to me. i just want our young players such as Sears and Tomkins to gain experience and playing time. to me, at this moment in time, that is more important than the result.

Man United are not West Ham's rivals though in a football sense are they. its perfectly understandable that an Arsenal/Chelsea/Liverpool fan may have an issue with jealousy. but to suggest every opposing fan suffers from this is narrow minded and just plain stupid in my opinion. Man United could have won every league and cup going and it would have no bearing on how i treat them as a club. its how the club, its manager, players and fans conduct themselves that has an influence on how i view a particular club.

If you read my post again you will see I never used the word HATE either, I said dislike, so you are wrong to suggest I am wildly exaggerating. It doesn't matter what I say about Sir Alex Ferguson I know I will never be able to influence your deeply formed opinion of him, after all, he has been in football a long long time and has rival fans have had plenty of time, year on year, to convince themselves that he his the anti-Christ. I'm sure that you are equally guilty of exhibiting those same failings that you claim Sir Alex is guilty of, hypocrisy, arrogance and pig-headedness, I know that I am capable of exhibiting ALL of those traits from time to time. I'm quite sure you have exhibited some of that behaviour on this forum.

You remain unconvincing with your arguments regarding the game meaning nothing to West Ham and their fans. I think we should leave it at that.

With regard to jealousy and resentment, I accept what you say about yourself, and retract any comments aimed at you personally on that issue.

As an aside. One thing I am not is arrogant. Also, I believe in balanced reasoned argument and I will hold my hand up and say I am wrong if someone is able to clearly show that is the case. I am not afraid to be in the minority and I will argue the toss against everyone on this thread if need be, without losing my cool.
Wink

Your posts are pure class at times m8... Keep it up as I'm one that is glad you are a member on this forum. Wink

Take note all... This is how you do it!!! No need for personal insults.

Don't worry you'll get use to our steely and will soon shoo him away like a fly. Very Happy

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:08 pm

Bluenose wrote:

Your posts are pure class at times m8... Keep it up as I'm one that is glad you are a member on this forum. Wink

Take note all... This is how you do it!!! No need for personal insults.

Don't worry you'll get use to our steely and will soon shoo him away like a fly. Very Happy

why would he wish to 'shoo me away' browntongue?

we had a decent discussion that ended up being resolved amicably.

look at you carrying on with your usual digs left, right and centre. you think you are so clever dont you? if my dad acted in the way you do i would be ashamed. it wouldnt be so bad if you had an ounce of intellect on any given subject other than the workings of the latest Intel Pentium 3 Processor but instead you drone on and on raping and pillaging your way through countless threads in countless sections while offering nothing in the way of input whatsoever. its no wonder you are only fit do drive a little cart putting bottles on people's doorsteps.

what a pathetic existance you have. your kid probably has more about her in the way of maturity than you. would you behave like this at the pub or to people's faces? i highly doubt it. so why act like this on here? you must have something severly lacking in your life to constantly keep on with this pathetic 'one-upmanship' that you persist with. its obvious nothing will be done about you as your c*ck is wedged firmly up twmcat's arse.

stick to entertaining your little arselicking clique in the lounge with your cheap sexual innuendo one liners and 9 year old style gags. nobody in this section gives a flying f*ck about anything you have to say.

you are a pathetic individual and id love to see you behave like this to somebody's face. you'd be either laughed out of the building or thrown out of the building via the window.

Rc_Lens · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 8:27 pm

I'll go for a win for both Manchester United and Chelsea so i think Manchester United will win the title. But it's possible that one of the two teams can have a failure because of the pressure.

Bluenose · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 9:16 pm

Steely Hill wrote:

no no, i can tell what is a bit of bait waiting for a bite and a genuine display of arrogance. it wasnt aimed specifically at you or any individual for that matter, just speaking in general terms.

Orl'y

Bluenose wrote:

Your posts are pure class at times m8... Keep it up as I'm one that is glad you are a member on this forum. Wink

Take note all... This is how you do it!!! No need for personal insults.

Don't worry you'll get use to our steely and will soon shoo him away like a fly. Very Happy

Then...

Steely Hill wrote:

why would he wish to 'shoo me away' browntongue?

we had a decent discussion that ended up being resolved amicably.

look at you carrying on with your usual digs left, right and centre. you think you are so clever dont you? if my dad acted in the way you do i would be ashamed. it wouldnt be so bad if you had an ounce of intellect on any given subject other than the workings of the latest Intel Pentium 3 Processor but instead you drone on and on raping and pillaging your way through countless threads in countless sections while offering nothing in the way of input whatsoever. its no wonder you are only fit do drive a little cart putting bottles on people's doorsteps.

what a pathetic existance you have. your kid probably has more about her in the way of maturity than you. would you behave like this at the pub or to people's faces? i highly doubt it. so why act like this on here? you must have something severly lacking in your life to constantly keep on with this pathetic 'one-upmanship' that you persist with. its obvious nothing will be done about you as your c*ck is wedged firmly up twmcat's arse.

stick to entertaining your little arselicking clique in the lounge with your cheap sexual innuendo one liners and 9 year old style gags. nobody in this section gives a flying f*ck about anything you have to say.

you are a pathetic individual and id love to see you behave like this to somebody's face. you'd be either laughed out of the building or thrown out of the building via the window.

Hook Line and Sinker. Cool

If you don't mind now steely I'd like to go back to the way it was and follow admins orders and you not replying to me... I'm sure you'll be happy with that as I wont make a dick of you again as you seem to be arguing with everyone in every thread YET again.

Cheers for that Wink

Right the show is over back on topic guys.

Please enter your username and password to log in.
Username:	Password:	I forgot my password	Log me on automatically each visit: