Your argument suggests that he has failed because his expectations should be exactly the same as Sir Alex Fergusons. Grant has won nothing. Sir Alex has won something and yet according to you that merits nothing because it is expected.

you could say the Leeds manager should have been in contention .....15 point deficit but still managed to reach the play offs .

damn, i thought he had it in the bag

what are you talking about!?

i have not said anybody has failed!!

do you think Grants expectations were to win the league and reach two cup finals, including the Champions League final?

what i have said is that in my opinion, given the resources at hand Ferguson has not been the best manager in English football this season in comparison to some of the lower league bosses who have far exceeded their respective expectations with limited resources, often lacking in comparison to their rivals.

i have not said Ferguson merits nothing. he won the league, he has been rightly praised. in my opinion he did not deserve this award though. that is all. i can understand if it were the Premier League manager of the year. id have no qualms with that, but its not.

There were additional awards made for the Championship and lower leagues.

Ferguson's manager of the year award was voted for by the members of the LMA and takes into account the performance of all the managers during the season.

West Brom boss Tony Mowbray took the Championship manager of the year award after he guided the Baggies to the title and thereby promotion to the Premier League.

Swansea manager Roberto Martinez won the League One honour and Graham Turner lifted the League Two award after taking Hereford to automatic promotion in their second season back in the Football League.

they are completely different awards.

just like the Premiership Manager of The Year is different to the LMA Manager of the Year.

doesnt really add any weight to any argument

Wrong Steely.

what exactly am i wrong about?

They are ALL LMA awards......you said "they are completely different awards"

Therefore the managers in the lower divisions have also been recognised by the LMA for their achievements, and have not been overlooked as your earlier post was suggesting.

they are different awards.

you are splitting hairs.

obviously they will be recognised in an award that is solely focused on their own division.

my point is that only once has any manager outside the top flight won the award. you dont think thats rather odd considering the english league has 92 managers and yet the winners have come from only around 5/6 clubs and mainly only one division?

i simply feel that the managers from lesser divisions should recieve more nationwide recognition for their efforts.

Yes you have a point, the thing is, it's the 92 managers themselves making the decision on who the TOP award should go to. Presumambly they must believe that the TOP award should go to someone for outstanding performance at the TOP end (the most difficult division in which to win anything) of the game. I'm guessing at that...I obviously don't know why they should cast their vote one way or the other.

yeah it just seems rather odd that these managers would always look to the top division when they, more than anyone, should appreciate how difficult it is to compete in the lower divisions with the many problems holding them back.

thats why i said id love to see how the voting went. say a top 5 or even a top three and how many votes each got.

Anyway Sir Alex deserved it in my opinion

I stopped reading this thread up to the point where i realised the award was for managers across all of the English football leagues, as i felt compelled to reply. What a f*cking farcical regime.

It is bad enough that Ferguson, who added three £15-£20m-worth players and a £20m-£30m-rated player to a squad already champions, spending as much or more than any of the three other potential contenders, should be considered for the Premier League.

But the fact these so-called experts of the game think that his feat is the greatest of any manager in English football is sickening. The fact someone could have such a warped, delusional sense of reality is frightening – thankfully, or not, the accolade isn't due to this, but of course the product of another unfavourable trait.

Because those at the helm of our football associations have a habit of being via themselves the ripest depiction of cowardice imaginable. Bias, spineless, the negative adjectives could dwindle on into the infinite.

Martinez must have been close i reckon

Phil Brown of Hull City should have won the award. He took the Hull side which only just survived relegation last year to 3rd place this year. Fair enough they did not win the league but they were not expecting a top half finish this season never mind 3rd place. It can be argued that they missed out on automatic promotion when with two games to go they were just about there. However, they are in a great position in the play offs and i hope we see them next year in the EPL. Well done Phil!

I wonder if Rafa voted for Fergie.

So Phil hasn't managed to win a trophy then. Ramos has more claim to the award imo.

look at who has won it in the past, have they all won a cup or the league?

Very good point Jac.