Fergie voted manager of the year by LMA in Barclays Premier League from Football.co.uk

Ben91 · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:15 pm

Roonanialdo wrote:

Ben91 wrote:

I stopped reading this thread up to the point where i realised the award was for managers across all of the English football leagues, as i felt compelled to reply. What a f*cking farcical regime.

It is bad enough that Ferguson, who added three £15-£20m-worth players and a £20m-£30m-rated player to a squad already champions, spending as much or more than any of the three other potential contenders, should be considered for the Premier League.

But the fact these so-called experts of the game think that his feat is the greatest of any manager in English football is sickening. The fact someone could have such a warped, delusional sense of reality is frightening – thankfully, or not, the accolade isn't due to this, but of course the product of another unfavourable trait.

Because those at the helm of our football associations have a habit of being via themselves the ripest depiction of cowardice imaginable. Bias, spineless, the negative adjectives could dwindle on into the infinite.

I wonder if Rafa voted for Fergie.

Oh, is it voted only by managers?

Roonanialdo · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:17 pm

Ben91 wrote:

Roonanialdo wrote:

Ben91 wrote:

I stopped reading this thread up to the point where i realised the award was for managers across all of the English football leagues, as i felt compelled to reply. What a f*cking farcical regime.

It is bad enough that Ferguson, who added three £15-£20m-worth players and a £20m-£30m-rated player to a squad already champions, spending as much or more than any of the three other potential contenders, should be considered for the Premier League.

But the fact these so-called experts of the game think that his feat is the greatest of any manager in English football is sickening. The fact someone could have such a warped, delusional sense of reality is frightening – thankfully, or not, the accolade isn't due to this, but of course the product of another unfavourable trait.

Because those at the helm of our football associations have a habit of being via themselves the ripest depiction of cowardice imaginable. Bias, spineless, the negative adjectives could dwindle on into the infinite.

I wonder if Rafa voted for Fergie.

Oh, is it voted only by managers?

Yes mate.

G_Man · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 10:17 pm

In the English Premier League, The League Managers Association Manager of the Year Award is annual award given to a manager from any division for his achievements in the prior season. The award is voted by fellow professional managers unlike the FA Premier League Manager of the Year and as a result consideration is also given for managers who inherit poor sides or financial difficulties and not only those managers who do not have such financial constraints and have won trophies.

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Ben91 · Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:20 pm

Oh, i didn't know. I assumed it had something to do with those in charge of the LMA.

Makes it a little more bizarre that he's won. You'd expect fellow manager's would recognise and appreciate a real achievement, and that his, relative to others, is not the best.

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 7:30 am

Ben91 wrote:

Oh, i didn't know. I assumed it had something to do with those in charge of the LMA.

Makes it a little more bizarre that he's won. You'd expect fellow manager's would recognise and appreciate a real achievement, and that his, relative to others, is not the best.

That's the issue that Steely and I were debating. If Rafa, Avram or Arsene had been given the award for winning the EPL title this year, would that have been bizarre too?

Even one of your own greats thinks that Sir Alex Ferguson has achieved something special this season. Taken from the BBC sports website.

Alan Hansen wrote:

Sir Alex Ferguson's 10th Premier League title with Manchester United - bracketed with all his other honours - has merely cemented his greatness as a manager. Why should Ferguson even think about retirement after building this team? A sign of his longevity and success can be encapsulated in the fact that United's win at Wigan to seal the title came 25 years to the day after Ferguson guided Aberdeen to a stunning European Cup Winners' Cup win against Real Madrid. What a career and what a record.

And this is why it is right to rank him alongside my great former manager at Liverpool, Bob Paisley, although Ferguson himself has said he has not won the Champions League enough and Bob brought the European Cup back to Anfield three times. But Sir Alex has got the chance to win his second with United when they play Chelsea in Moscow on 21 May, and they have an undoubted psychological advantage over Avram Grant's side because they have got that first major trophy under their belt at their rivals' expense.

On the surface Ferguson and Paisley may seem different characters and personalities when you examine the firebrand Scot and the quietly-spoken man from the North East - but they have so many similarities.
Bob was always looking to improve Liverpool's side, even after our greatest successes, and Ferguson has rebuilt the Manchester United side four or five times since arriving at Old Trafford from Aberdeen in 1986.

Paisley was an unbelievable manager, and he shared a great ability with Ferguson to motivate his players to win more silverware even when they had enjoyed previous successes, and constantly get the best out of players. Ferguson is like Paisley in his absolute refusal to settle for anything less than the best - they embody the old adage we used to have at Liverpool that "first is first and second is nowhere".

Paisley would never allow complacency to creep in and Ferguson is the same. We were always told that while you may enjoy success one season, it counts for nothing once the next season starts - and never think you have won anything until the medal was in your hand and the trophy lifted above the captain's head. And Ferguson certainly possesses the ruthless streak that Paisley possessed when it comes to making the big decisions required to keep his club at the top of the pack. Like Paisley, Ferguson is a motivator, ruthless and refuses to accept second best.

Ferguson is an amazing character in that his fire and desire burns just as brightly after his years in the game and the trophies he has won. The hunger shows no sign of waning. I have to confess I did not particularly like the build-up to big games, in fact I hated it. Ferguson, on the other hand, loves the adrenalin rush of both the build-up and the games themselves - you can see it just by looking at him.

He thought about retirement a few years ago and wisely decided it was not for him. He has been proved totally correct and he has once again moulded another outstanding United side, in fact this can be called a great side. Ferguson might have stepped back from management into an ambassadorial or directorial role, but he rightly recognised that whatever he did, nothing would replicate that feeling he gets on the touchline, being involved, building teams, working with great players and guiding them to trophies.

Some people live for that. It is like a drug and Sir Alex is one of those people. If you retire you don't get that rush, and why should he retire having built this young team with so much more in front of it? United's players also get the benefits because they are working with a great manager. He arrived at Old Trafford with the stated intention of ending the era of Liverpool constantly winning titles, which he has done, but he has achieved another feat by responding to the challenge of Chelsea when they were suddenly fuelled by the riches of Roman Abramovich.

Chelsea won two titles in succession under Jose Mourinho, but Ferguson responded and regrouped to take two Premier Leagues in succession for United. The bar has also been raised in recent years. In the '90s you could win a title with a very good side - now you have to have an outstanding side to win the Premier League. Ferguson's next challenge awaits in the Champions League final, and I have no doubts they have a psychological advantage over Chelsea by winning the title.

Whatever happens, they have a trophy in their cabinet this season, whereas Chelsea know they will end empty-handed if they lose in Moscow.

And for the great manager of Manchester United, it is just another challenge he will relish.

Sir Alex Ferguson is already a living LEGEND because of his achievements in football and you, Steely, Jackpot_Jac and anyone else displaying sour grapes over this award should understand that this award has been conferred because it is his 10th EPL title. A tremendous achievement.

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:37 am

you are such a wind up.

how on earth is it sour grapes!? my manager will never win the award. ever. im not overly fussed who wins an award that in reality does not mean a huge deal.

i am simply questioning and debating giving said award to a man who is already head and shoulders above 99.9% of the rest of his 'peers' in management in terms of money, resources, squad, power etc when there has been some outstanding performances from the likes of Phil Brown, Paul Ince, Gary Johnson and a few others.

the fact Tony Mowbray won the championship LMA trophy also is something i cant understand. his team were hot favourites to win the league, he had one of the best squads in one of the biggest clubs and among the most money. his only challenge was to avoid complacency. although i doubt you will bother arguing about that because it does not concern your hero.

Geordie JJ · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:48 am

sour grapes? hows that Roonanialdo?
I said that Phil Brown should win it because in my opinion he has been the better manager this year.
How can they take into consideration SAF's last 9 titles when givin this award. it is manager of THE year isnt it?, bit of a joke really! Yeah hes done really well to get 10 titles but i thought the past season was what it was on. Confused

He even said himself that he has the easiest job and ofcourse he has. He spent 20million on 3 different players. Hull hardly spent 2million this past year. For me, this has to be taken into consideration and not the rubbish about it being his 10th title.
Its true i hate SAF but that has nothing to do with it. It is clear that your gonna say that SAF should get the award but your a biased Man United fan. You have shown in past posts that you back Man United even when you are pretty much wrong. However, this forum is all about opinions so it is up to me who i think should have won the award and just because Alan Hansen wants to lick arse doesnt mean i was wrong. Who cares what he thinks.

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:11 am

Jackpot_Jac wrote:

sour grapes? hows that Roonanialdo?
I said that Phil Brown should win it because in my opinion he has been the better manager this year.
How can they take into consideration SAF's last 9 titles when givin this award. it is manager of THE year isnt it?, bit of a joke really! Yeah hes done really well to get 10 titles but i thought the past season was what it was on. Confused

He even said himself that he has the easiest job and ofcourse he has. He spent 20million on 3 different players. Hull hardly spent 2million this past year. For me, this has to be taken into consideration and not the rubbish about it being his 10th title.
Its true i hate SAF but that has nothing to do with it. It is clear that your gonna say that SAF should get the award but your a biased Man United fan. You have shown in past posts that you back Man United even when you are pretty much wrong. However, this forum is all about opinions so it is up to me who i think should have won the award and just because Alan Hansen wants to lick arse doesnt mean i was wrong. Who cares what he thinks.

Phil currently sits 9th in the Managers performance tables, so it appears that 8 other managers warrant consideration for the award before him. By the way, SAF is third, behind Avram and Paul Ince is in first position. Of course you're entitled to your own opinion Jac, and it's good to discuss opposing viewpoints and the merits of the candidates, but your point of view is as equally biased in the opposite direction because of your dislike for both Man Utd and Sir Alex Ferguson.

You are wrong, the award isn't because SAF won the EPL title this year, otherwise he would have also won it last year, and Jose the two years prior to that. The award has been conferred because of SAF's incredible long term winning record.

I note that Phil has a Geordie accent......could that possibly be further biasing your opinion Wink

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:24 am

then it discredits the entire award, which happens to be LMA Manager of The Year. by that token Giggs should recieve all the player of the year awards. would you justify that just as much as this?

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:25 am

Steely Hill wrote:

you are such a wind up.

how on earth is it sour grapes!? my manager will never win the award. ever. im not overly fussed who wins an award that in reality does not mean a huge deal.

i am simply questioning and debating giving said award to a man who is already head and shoulders above 99.9% of the rest of his 'peers' in management in terms of money, resources, squad, power etc when there has been some outstanding performances from the likes of Phil Brown, Paul Ince, Gary Johnson and a few others.

the fact Tony Mowbray won the championship LMA trophy also is something i cant understand. his team were hot favourites to win the league, he had one of the best squads in one of the biggest clubs and among the most money. his only challenge was to avoid complacency. although i doubt you will bother arguing about that because it does not concern your hero.

Yeah......I know I can be a wind up merchant......and you can be too on the odd occasion Wink

If you believe your manager can NEVER win this award then obviously it's not sour grapes, but Steve Coppell won it twice in succession with Reading which would indicate that it is not beyond Curbs to do exactly the same. However, your dislike for SAF does cloud your judgement on issues that involve him and doesn't allow you to be truly fair and objective under those circumstances. The award has been conferred because it is SAF's 10th EPL title.

fakeplastictrees · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:25 am

You all get too upset over this. It's a meningless award. Who cares who wins it?

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:26 am

Steely Hill wrote:

then it discredits the entire award, which happens to be LMA Manager of The Year. by that token Giggs should recieve all the player of the year awards. would you justify that just as much as this?

The fact remains that he achieved the milestone THIS year.

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:27 am

fakeplastictrees wrote:

You all get too upset over this. It's a meningless award. Who cares who wins it?

No-one is getting upset FPT, we are just debating a football topic, me and Steely like an argument over nothing Very Happy

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:39 am

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

you are such a wind up.

how on earth is it sour grapes!? my manager will never win the award. ever. im not overly fussed who wins an award that in reality does not mean a huge deal.

i am simply questioning and debating giving said award to a man who is already head and shoulders above 99.9% of the rest of his 'peers' in management in terms of money, resources, squad, power etc when there has been some outstanding performances from the likes of Phil Brown, Paul Ince, Gary Johnson and a few others.

the fact Tony Mowbray won the championship LMA trophy also is something i cant understand. his team were hot favourites to win the league, he had one of the best squads in one of the biggest clubs and among the most money. his only challenge was to avoid complacency. although i doubt you will bother arguing about that because it does not concern your hero.

Yeah......I know I can be a wind up merchant......and you can be too on the odd occasion Wink

If you believe your manager can NEVER win this award then obviously it's not sour grapes, but Steve Coppell won it twice in succession with Reading which would indicate that it is not beyond Curbs to do exactly the same. However, your dislike for SAF does cloud your judgement on issues that involve him and doesn't allow you to be truly fair and objective under those circumstances. The award has been conferred because it is SAF's 10th EPL title.

yeah but he did that by firstly running away with the Championship, something Curbishley will never do while with West Ham and secondly finishing mid table with Reading, something that Curbishley has already done with West Ham that means nothing. Curbishley would have to finish in the top 4 to even stand a chance and that just aint going to happen.

its not even that i dislike ferguson. i wouldnt say its clouding my judgement to be honest. i personally think Ince is more deserving and i dislike Ince more than any other manager to give you an example of why its not a personal issue.

like i said above, giving him the award on that basis simply discredits the entire purpose of the award. LMA Manager of The Year (the clue is in the title). withouth sounding like im trying to take anything away from ferguson's fantastic achievements i dont feel his past success should enhance his chances of winning this year. if anything it makes it even easier for his current team to succeed this season.

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:47 am

Steely Hill wrote:

like i said above, giving him the award on that basis simply discredits the entire purpose of the award. LMA Manager of The Year (the clue is in the title). withouth sounding like im trying to take anything away from ferguson's fantastic achievements i dont feel his past success should enhance his chances of winning this year. if anything it makes it even easier for his current team to succeed this season.

I think we are going to have to agree to differ on that point. SAF's 10th EPL title has been achieved THIS year and is viewed as an incredible milestone by his peers, just as Bob Paisley's 3rd European Cup was viewed as an incredible milestone. You can only gain recognition for the achievement in the year that you accomplish it.

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:52 am

Roonanialdo wrote:

fakeplastictrees wrote:

You all get too upset over this. It's a meningless award. Who cares who wins it?

No-one is getting upset FPT, we are just debating a football topic, me and Steely like an argument over nothing Very Happy

very true

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:53 am

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

like i said above, giving him the award on that basis simply discredits the entire purpose of the award. LMA Manager of The Year (the clue is in the title). withouth sounding like im trying to take anything away from ferguson's fantastic achievements i dont feel his past success should enhance his chances of winning this year. if anything it makes it even easier for his current team to succeed this season.

I think we are going to have to agree to differ on that point. SAF's 10th EPL title has been achieved THIS year and is viewed as an incredible milestone by his peers, just as Bob Paisley's 3rd European Cup was viewed as an incredible milestone. You can only gain recognition for the achievement in the year that you accomplish it.

Ryan Giggs for PFA Player of The Year then? Wink

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:58 am

Steely Hill wrote:

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

like i said above, giving him the award on that basis simply discredits the entire purpose of the award. LMA Manager of The Year (the clue is in the title). withouth sounding like im trying to take anything away from ferguson's fantastic achievements i dont feel his past success should enhance his chances of winning this year. if anything it makes it even easier for his current team to succeed this season.

I think we are going to have to agree to differ on that point. SAF's 10th EPL title has been achieved THIS year and is viewed as an incredible milestone by his peers, just as Bob Paisley's 3rd European Cup was viewed as an incredible milestone. You can only gain recognition for the achievement in the year that you accomplish it.

Ryan Giggs for PFA Player of The Year then? Wink

That award is definitely for a players performance for the current season, and is voted on by players well before the season is finished, but I believe Giggsy does deserve some recognition for his incredible achievement of 10 EPL winners medals. As you have said "it's a completely different award".

Steely Hill · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:13 am

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

Roonanialdo wrote:

Steely Hill wrote:

like i said above, giving him the award on that basis simply discredits the entire purpose of the award. LMA Manager of The Year (the clue is in the title). withouth sounding like im trying to take anything away from ferguson's fantastic achievements i dont feel his past success should enhance his chances of winning this year. if anything it makes it even easier for his current team to succeed this season.

I think we are going to have to agree to differ on that point. SAF's 10th EPL title has been achieved THIS year and is viewed as an incredible milestone by his peers, just as Bob Paisley's 3rd European Cup was viewed as an incredible milestone. You can only gain recognition for the achievement in the year that you accomplish it.

Ryan Giggs for PFA Player of The Year then? Wink

That award is definitely for a players performance for the current season, and is voted on by players well before the season is finished, but I believe Giggsy does deserve some recognition for his incredible achievement of 10 EPL winners medals. As you have said "it's a completely different award".

of course its different. the LMA is voted by the managers. the PFA is voted by the players.

if the players used the same logic you are backing then Giggs should by rights win the PFA player of the year award.

why should Giggs get any more recognition? in what form? perhaps the club could do something for him but certainly not the FA, Premeir League or any other 'impartial' body. he has 10 premier league winners medals, what more does he need?

that award is for the performance over that individual season and so is (allegedly) the LMA award. for some unknown (arselicking) reason ferguson winning the league has awarded him the title of best performing manager over the season with all the resources he has at his disposal taken into consideration. i just find it hard to swallow.

Roonanialdo · Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 11:21 am

Steely Hill wrote:

of course its different. the LMA is voted by the managers. the PFA is voted by the players.

if the players used the same logic you are backing then Giggs should by rights win the PFA player of the year award.

why should Giggs get any more recognition? in what form? perhaps the club could do something for him but certainly not the FA, Premeir League or any other 'impartial' body. he has 10 premier league winners medals, what more does he need?

that award is for the performance over that individual season and so is (allegedly) the LMA award. for some unknown (arselicking) reason ferguson winning the league has awarded him the title of best performing manager over the season with all the resources he has at his disposal taken into consideration. i just find it hard to swallow.

Logic tells us that the timing of the voting for these two 'different' awards prevents Giggs from being recognised for his achievements in the same way they are able to with the LMA award.

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